Was at the scene of a bike crash this evening
Discussion
Just to add another point, and not having a go at anyone. Whilst the rider was conscious and seemed fine, you never know how long they will stay like that. Lying on his back in the road for the time that he was meant fluid, phlegm or whatever can start building up at the back of his throat. At some point he may start choking, do you want to then be fiddling around trying to undo his neck strap when he could possibly start thrashing about. There is also the real possibility that he might start vomiting when the shock kicks in. Again I don't think you want to be trying to undo the neck strap when he is emptying his stomach inside his helmet.
Its a fair point that has been brought up as some of the people present at the accident were initially very reluctant to undo the strap, so if this educates a few people then some good has come out of it. We supported his helmet while the strap was undone, so no unnecessary movement was caused. The helmet itself was a very snug fit and when the ambulance crew arrived it took a bit of effort for them to get it off.
To answer another query above, yes the rider was wearing all the gear including gloves, other than the gash in his back and a mark on his knee the protection he was wearing did its job. Poor bloke had his jacket and riding jeans cut off him, the paramedic even apologised to him for having to do so.
Its a fair point that has been brought up as some of the people present at the accident were initially very reluctant to undo the strap, so if this educates a few people then some good has come out of it. We supported his helmet while the strap was undone, so no unnecessary movement was caused. The helmet itself was a very snug fit and when the ambulance crew arrived it took a bit of effort for them to get it off.
To answer another query above, yes the rider was wearing all the gear including gloves, other than the gash in his back and a mark on his knee the protection he was wearing did its job. Poor bloke had his jacket and riding jeans cut off him, the paramedic even apologised to him for having to do so.
Gavia said:
Prof Prolapse said:
Airways, Breathing, Circulation.
If you're dead from asphyxiation having a fully functional spine offers little consolation.
Can we end this discussion about asphyxiation etc now please. None of the below looks like he was on deaths door. If you're dead from asphyxiation having a fully functional spine offers little consolation.
I'm new here and have now tried to join in on two threads and everyone has jumped to extremes (and on me) in both cases. Is it always like that round here?
Some people are of extremes, most of them aren't, some of the blokes here know their apples, some don't. It's the same as anywhere.
I find most of the posters here entertaining, and even the narky ones tend to be helpful when you they can. Or at least happy to point out your mistakes.
EagleMoto4-2 said:
Just to add another point, and not having a go at anyone. Whilst the rider was conscious and seemed fine, you never know how long they will stay like that. Lying on his back in the road for the time that he was meant fluid, phlegm or whatever can start building up at the back of his throat. At some point he may start choking, do you want to then be fiddling around trying to undo his neck strap when he could possibly start thrashing about. There is also the real possibility that he might start vomiting when the shock kicks in. Again I don't think you want to be trying to undo the neck strap when he is emptying his stomach inside his helmet.
Its a fair point that has been brought up as some of the people present at the accident were initially very reluctant to undo the strap, so if this educates a few people then some good has come out of it. We supported his helmet while the strap was undone, so no unnecessary movement was caused. The helmet itself was a very snug fit and when the ambulance crew arrived it took a bit of effort for them to get it off.
To answer another query above, yes the rider was wearing all the gear including gloves, other than the gash in his back and a mark on his knee the protection he was wearing did its job. Poor bloke had his jacket and riding jeans cut off him, the paramedic even apologised to him for having to do so.
All good, but still hypotheticals and not actually happening. The reason for leaving the helmet in place is to avoid the risk of causing / worsening any spinal / neck damage, which are quite likely after a bike accident. Its a fair point that has been brought up as some of the people present at the accident were initially very reluctant to undo the strap, so if this educates a few people then some good has come out of it. We supported his helmet while the strap was undone, so no unnecessary movement was caused. The helmet itself was a very snug fit and when the ambulance crew arrived it took a bit of effort for them to get it off.
To answer another query above, yes the rider was wearing all the gear including gloves, other than the gash in his back and a mark on his knee the protection he was wearing did its job. Poor bloke had his jacket and riding jeans cut off him, the paramedic even apologised to him for having to do so.
Gavia said:
EagleMoto4-2 said:
Just to add another point, and not having a go at anyone. Whilst the rider was conscious and seemed fine, you never know how long they will stay like that. Lying on his back in the road for the time that he was meant fluid, phlegm or whatever can start building up at the back of his throat. At some point he may start choking, do you want to then be fiddling around trying to undo his neck strap when he could possibly start thrashing about. There is also the real possibility that he might start vomiting when the shock kicks in. Again I don't think you want to be trying to undo the neck strap when he is emptying his stomach inside his helmet.
Its a fair point that has been brought up as some of the people present at the accident were initially very reluctant to undo the strap, so if this educates a few people then some good has come out of it. We supported his helmet while the strap was undone, so no unnecessary movement was caused. The helmet itself was a very snug fit and when the ambulance crew arrived it took a bit of effort for them to get it off.
To answer another query above, yes the rider was wearing all the gear including gloves, other than the gash in his back and a mark on his knee the protection he was wearing did its job. Poor bloke had his jacket and riding jeans cut off him, the paramedic even apologised to him for having to do so.
All good, but still hypotheticals and not actually happening. The reason for leaving the helmet in place is to avoid the risk of causing / worsening any spinal / neck damage, which are quite likely after a bike accident. Its a fair point that has been brought up as some of the people present at the accident were initially very reluctant to undo the strap, so if this educates a few people then some good has come out of it. We supported his helmet while the strap was undone, so no unnecessary movement was caused. The helmet itself was a very snug fit and when the ambulance crew arrived it took a bit of effort for them to get it off.
To answer another query above, yes the rider was wearing all the gear including gloves, other than the gash in his back and a mark on his knee the protection he was wearing did its job. Poor bloke had his jacket and riding jeans cut off him, the paramedic even apologised to him for having to do so.
Mate was in a very bad RTA last Friday, airlifted after a car decided to do a U turn in stationary traffic as he was filtering down the outside.
Shattered femur, hand, wrist, broken ribs and broken back ( all been plated) Also suspected fractured skull, dislocated shoulder. An awful situation as he remembers saying 'O s
t, then thinking im a gonner!
Scary stuff, and put the sts up all of us. He currently cannot feel anything below the waist, but his cord is intact so hopefully he will gain feeling. But a life changing event.
Some of you guys would have meet him, as he was at the Snetterton track day on the SV650.
Be safe!
Shattered femur, hand, wrist, broken ribs and broken back ( all been plated) Also suspected fractured skull, dislocated shoulder. An awful situation as he remembers saying 'O s
t, then thinking im a gonner!Scary stuff, and put the s
ts up all of us. He currently cannot feel anything below the waist, but his cord is intact so hopefully he will gain feeling. But a life changing event.Some of you guys would have meet him, as he was at the Snetterton track day on the SV650.
Be safe!
Gavia said:
All good, but still hypotheticals and not actually happening. The reason for leaving the helmet in place is to avoid the risk of causing / worsening any spinal / neck damage, which are quite likely after a bike accident.
Indeed, and was my initial reaction; however you do realise that the discussion is over releasing the strap, NOT removing the helmet..rat840771 said:
Mate was in a very bad RTA last Friday, airlifted after a car decided to do a U turn in stationary traffic as he was filtering down the outside.
Shattered femur, hand, wrist, broken ribs and broken back ( all been plated) Also suspected fractured skull, dislocated shoulder. An awful situation as he remembers saying 'O st, then thinking im a gonner!
Scary stuff, and put the sts up all of us. He currently cannot feel anything below the waist, but his cord is intact so hopefully he will gain feeling. But a life changing event.
Some of you guys would have meet him, as he was at the Snetterton track day on the SV650.
Be safe!
Christ, hope he recovers OK.Shattered femur, hand, wrist, broken ribs and broken back ( all been plated) Also suspected fractured skull, dislocated shoulder. An awful situation as he remembers saying 'O s
t, then thinking im a gonner!Scary stuff, and put the s
ts up all of us. He currently cannot feel anything below the waist, but his cord is intact so hopefully he will gain feeling. But a life changing event.Some of you guys would have meet him, as he was at the Snetterton track day on the SV650.
Be safe!
Stay safe out there, people!
SystemParanoia said:
I was at tye scene of one too not too long ago.
Car pulled out from its drive wwithout looking. Bike had no chance as traffic was comming the other way.
Did he though.. Road positions lead me to suspect that the bike was filtering, in which case, it was probably very difficult to see the bike, even if he was looking; maybe a car stops to let him out, biker doesn't spot that, and we know how it ends. A lot of these make me wonder how fast / appropriate some of the riding is (coloured by experience).Car pulled out from its drive wwithout looking. Bike had no chance as traffic was comming the other way.
Yes, I filter when I ride, and yeah, you shouldn't have to deal with people pulling across you, or doing U turns (that one being particularly indefensible), but you also have to be aware that a) How you ride may make it difficult/impossible for the best intentioned drivers to see you, and b) you are soft and squishy. Personally when I'm riding I'm looking for joins from the left for precisely those reasons.
Honestly, the road was completely empty, i was behind him when it happened and reported to the police as such too.
He barely nudged 30mph for the whole time i was behind him.
accident location - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.575454,-1.962081...
I spent the previous 2 mins behind him silently cursing him for not being a wheelie hero and getting his knee down... but if he had, i'd probably have been the one crashing into the BMW instead of him as he'd be long gone!
He barely nudged 30mph for the whole time i was behind him.
accident location - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.575454,-1.962081...
I spent the previous 2 mins behind him silently cursing him for not being a wheelie hero and getting his knee down... but if he had, i'd probably have been the one crashing into the BMW instead of him as he'd be long gone!
WinstonWolf said:
It also has a very slim profile and easily hides between the trees. I expect everyone to not see me on roads like that...
No an excuse, and not a solution.If you can't work out when the road is clear, it's time to hand in your licence.
If he had full beam on though the biker was obviously a bit of a bell end though, but doesn't sound like that was contributory.
SystemParanoia said:
Honestly, the road was completely empty, i was behind him when it happened and reported to the police as such too.
accident location - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.575454,-1.962081...
I spent the previous 2 mins behind him silently cursing him for not being a weelie hero and getting he knee down... but if he had, i'd probably have been the one crashing into the BMW instead of him.
A driver's eye view when pulling out. Not excusing the driver in any way shape or form but that sort of road makes me very cautious as you can be hidden until you're right on top of the vehicle.accident location - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.575454,-1.962081...
I spent the previous 2 mins behind him silently cursing him for not being a weelie hero and getting he knee down... but if he had, i'd probably have been the one crashing into the BMW instead of him.
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