Dvla issued full bike entitlement by mistake. Legality to us

[LuS1fer]

Connla88 said:

Hi can anyone help.. I had my full category (A) bike test which covered me for any size bike!!

Basically.. long story I got done for dangerous driving (my bad) was banned for 3.5 years had to do an extended test got the licence today in the post and on the back of the licence on the catagory A on the motorbike it's got 79.03 which I've read online is something to do with tricycles? What ever the hell that means! ??

Really my question here is do I have to resit my full bike test again? Driving instructor told me that I'd get all my licences back again so a bit confused here.. Would hate the thought of doing that all over again!

Any help appreciated thanks!

A disqualification and extended test applies to your whole licence, it's not selective, so I would imagine you will have to resit your bike test and extended test for that too.

[Connla88]

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[m3jappa]

They do get it wrong, years ago i remember my mate showing me his licence which included basically everything except an arctic lorry and trailer. He had almost every licence on there

Ill have to ask him if they are still on it, he never drove anything over a 3.5t though and i do agree it could get messy if something went wrong.

[unident]

m3jappa said:

They do get it wrong, years ago i remember my mate showing me his licence which included basically everything except an arctic lorry and trailer. He had almost every licence on there

Ill have to ask him if they are still on it, he never drove anything over a 3.5t though and i do agree it could get messy if something went wrong.

How old is your mate?

[Richard-D]

unident said:

m3jappa said:

They do get it wrong, years ago i remember my mate showing me his licence which included basically everything except an arctic lorry and trailer. He had almost every licence on there

Ill have to ask him if they are still on it, he never drove anything over a 3.5t though and i do agree it could get messy if something went wrong.

How old is your mate?

And how cold is your lorry?

[m3jappa]

unident said:

How old is your mate?

He is 41 now and iirc this would have been when he was around 25 ish.

[Pica-Pica]

Richard-D said:

unident said:

m3jappa said:

They do get it wrong, years ago i remember my mate showing me his licence which included basically everything except an arctic lorry and trailer. He had almost every licence on there

Ill have to ask him if they are still on it, he never drove anything over a 3.5t though and i do agree it could get messy if something went wrong.

How old is your mate?

And how cold is your lorry?

Don’t come on here with those ant-artic views!

[m3jappa]

Richard-D said:

And how cold is your lorry?

haha bloody freezing mate! it was arctic!

[unident]

Richard-D said:

unident said:

m3jappa said:

They do get it wrong, years ago i remember my mate showing me his licence which included basically everything except an arctic lorry and trailer. He had almost every licence on there

Ill have to ask him if they are still on it, he never drove anything over a 3.5t though and i do agree it could get messy if something went wrong.

How old is your mate?

And how cold is your lorry?

There’s a really poor taste joke in there about asking for some Vietnamese friends or something like that.

[Richard-D]

unident said:

Richard-D said:

unident said:

m3jappa said:

They do get it wrong, years ago i remember my mate showing me his licence which included basically everything except an arctic lorry and trailer. He had almost every licence on there

Ill have to ask him if they are still on it, he never drove anything over a 3.5t though and i do agree it could get messy if something went wrong.

How old is your mate?

And how cold is your lorry?

There’s a really poor taste joke in there about asking for some Vietnamese friends or something like that.

Ouch, I wasn't even thinking of that!

Genuinely only taking the mick as a friend of mine always referred to them as 'arctic' lorries and I didn't want to make him feel silly by correcting him.

[unident]

Richard-D said:

unident said:

Richard-D said:

unident said:

m3jappa said:

They do get it wrong, years ago i remember my mate showing me his licence which included basically everything except an arctic lorry and trailer. He had almost every licence on there

Ill have to ask him if they are still on it, he never drove anything over a 3.5t though and i do agree it could get messy if something went wrong.

How old is your mate?

And how cold is your lorry?

There’s a really poor taste joke in there about asking for some Vietnamese friends or something like that.

Ouch, I wasn't even thinking of that!

Genuinely only taking the mick as a friend of mine always referred to them as 'arctic' lorries and I didn't want to make him feel silly by correcting him.

I know you weren’t, hence why I didn’t go the whole hog and try to make some sort of joke out of it, as it would no doubt offend someone.

[unident]

m3jappa said:

unident said:

How old is your mate?

He is 41 now and iirc this would have been when he was around 25 ish.

41, born in 1979, took his test at 17 in 1996 means he has all the licences up to 7.5 ton legitimately as the rules didn’t change until 1997. Worth considering as you sound like you’re probably a similar age, but a little younger so missed out on all the licences he had, just by virtue of being born a bit later, or taking your test a little later.

[anonymous-user]

This happened to my stepfather when he took his full bike in 2008. They sent off his licence and gave him full Cat C and didn't put Cat A on there... Again, they don't make mistakes and insisted he had passed his pull Cat C test, despite never sitting in a HGV and telling him that he did NOT sit the Cat A test.

Took him several weeks, but he eventually got the correct category added on, and got the Cat C removed.

[S2r]

To pick up on this, I've just checked the teenager's provisional licence (he's 17 in a couple of days and we're sorting out insurance) and that has a start date for 'A' on his birthday but A1 and A2 have been struck through.

So if you just look at the dates, then it sort of seems that he's already got an 'A' entitlement!

This may be where the confusion is, and if it is I can see why as it isn't very clear.

[unident]

S2r said:

To pick up on this, I've just checked the teenager's provisional licence (he's 17 in a couple of days and we're sorting out insurance) and that has a start date for 'A' on his birthday but A1 and A2 have been struck through.

So if you just look at the dates, then it sort of seems that he's already got an 'A' entitlement!

This may be where the confusion is, and if it is I can see why as it isn't very clear.

Doesn’t the fact it’s a provisional licence suggest that it’s provisional, not full.

[S2r]

unident said:

Doesn’t the fact it’s a provisional licence suggest that it’s provisional, not full.

It does, but the dates are shown in the box marked 'A', not in the "A1' or 'A2' categories.

If you have a start date and end date shown in one category but nothing in the others then (for the sake of discussion) would it be unreasonable to assume that the start and end dates refer to that category rather than some other ones that have no dates in?

I can see why there could be some confusion...

[unident]

S2r said:

It does, but the dates are shown in the box marked 'A', not in the "A1' or 'A2' categories.

If you have a start date and end date shown in one category but nothing in the others then (for the sake of discussion) would it be unreasonable to assume that the start and end dates refer to that category rather than some other ones that have no dates in?

I can see why there could be some confusion...

I think you’re missing the obvious here. It’s a provisional licence. He has the entitlement to learn ride a motorbike so he has the provisional A entitlement. When / if he passes his motorbike test it will (probably) be under one of the lesser A categories and so he will them get a full licence with A1 or A2 or whatever those categories are on his full (not provisional licence). If he only passes his car test, then his full licence will show that he has a full licence for cars and a provisional licence for motorbikes.

[S2r]

unident said:

I think you’re missing the obvious here. It’s a provisional licence. He has the entitlement to learn ride a motorbike so he has the provisional A entitlement. When / if he passes his motorbike test it will (probably) be under one of the lesser A categories and so he will them get a full licence with A1 or A2 or whatever those categories are on his full (not provisional licence). If he only passes his car test, then his full licence will show that he has a full licence for cars and a provisional licence for motorbikes.

I'm not missing anything but perhaps you are.

I know that a provisional licence means that it's provisional, but if the licence has dates in the 'A' box and not the A1 or A2 boxes then there could be some confusion.

And we're not talking about a teenagers' provisional licence, the OP's friend presumably has a full car licence and if it's got dates for the motorcycle bits in the 'A' category (not A1 or A2) as well then you could understand the OP's post.

[unident]

S2r said:

unident said:

I think you’re missing the obvious here. It’s a provisional licence. He has the entitlement to learn ride a motorbike so he has the provisional A entitlement. When / if he passes his motorbike test it will (probably) be under one of the lesser A categories and so he will them get a full licence with A1 or A2 or whatever those categories are on his full (not provisional licence). If he only passes his car test, then his full licence will show that he has a full licence for cars and a provisional licence for motorbikes.

I'm not missing anything but perhaps you are.

I know that a provisional licence means that it's provisional, but if the licence has dates in the 'A' box and not the A1 or A2 boxes then there could be some confusion.

And we're not talking about a teenagers' provisional licence, the OP's friend presumably has a full car licence and if it's got dates for the motorcycle bits in the 'A' category (not A1 or A2) as well then you could understand the OP's post.

Now this is getting really confusing. You were discussing what was on your teenage child’s provisional licence. That’s what I highlighted as the bit you were missing. That it’s a provisional licence. Any and all dates on that licence are for provisional entitlement only and given the date at which the entitlement to learn that category starts.

The OP’s friend will not have the same thing on his full licence. He will have 79(3) on it, for a tricycle which I think everyone gets. Unless and until he posts a copy on here I don’t believe that he or anyone else has got a free full motorbike licence. Mistakes do happen, but it’s amazing how often people think they’ve got a full bike licence only to be told the 79(3) means it’s for trikes only.

[Biker 1]

I passed car test in 1985, then bike test in 2008. At the time, I was issued 'A' license, restricted to 33bhp. I got pulled for enthusiastically attempting to overtake an unmarked patrol car in 2012, riding a KTM Duke 690. At first they said I wasn't licensed to ride, as over 33bhp. Luckily one of the 2 officers had experience with this & knew the 2 year restricted time limit had expired & therefore I automatically had full 'A' entitlement, even though the police computer apparently said differently... He claimed that DVLA & police computer databases often don't correlate, which I find hard to believe!