In the market...Speed Triple, RNineT or...
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anonymous said:
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I think the 'motard is ace. I bought one last year and had endless fun on it - even now in the depths of s
tey winter, I still find time to ride and wash it. If I wanted something to be able to stick boxes on the back of I would have thought about the hyperstrada, but I'm a big tart and wanted the blingy SP - and make do with backpacks and Kriega kit.I went from a Speed Triple 1050 with Arrows Low exhaust and map to the XSR900.
Triumph has much more of a brute but the XSR is so much more nimble and I am enjoying the chuckability. Still running in so not really opened her up yet but engine appears willing and has a noticeable different 3 cylinder note to the Speed.
For the money the XSR appears a fantastic bargain with traction control, slipper clutch and ABS, and I like the looks better than the MT-09.
I considered the MT-10 but realised I wasn't using the power of the Triumph and wasn't sold on the looks.
I have also had the CB1300 and loved it. Lazy old beast with lots of low down torque. She could move when pushed though not like a middle weight naked, tracked well through the corners but needed to be bullied through quick changes of direction. Great road presence. Sold to a friend who loves it (If my garage was bigger would have kept it).
Triumph has much more of a brute but the XSR is so much more nimble and I am enjoying the chuckability. Still running in so not really opened her up yet but engine appears willing and has a noticeable different 3 cylinder note to the Speed.
For the money the XSR appears a fantastic bargain with traction control, slipper clutch and ABS, and I like the looks better than the MT-09.
I considered the MT-10 but realised I wasn't using the power of the Triumph and wasn't sold on the looks.
I have also had the CB1300 and loved it. Lazy old beast with lots of low down torque. She could move when pushed though not like a middle weight naked, tracked well through the corners but needed to be bullied through quick changes of direction. Great road presence. Sold to a friend who loves it (If my garage was bigger would have kept it).
The Speed Triple has a lot of character and although not as light as an XSR, it's loads lighter and 25bhp up on the boat anchor (but very attractive) R nine T. It has a lot of presence too and a lot of non-biker people seem to want to talk to you about it when you stop.
£7k would get you a lovely, late, last of the non-ride by wire, ABS models. They have bags of traction and grip and have zero need for rider modes and TC.
As for alternatives? 990 Super Duke KTM or Tuono V2 in my book. Anything else is a bit different to the theme and lacks a bit of naked character or lacks torque/power.
I have a GSXS1000F in the garage too and the bikes are chalk and cheese, but if you want a do everything fast naked, the GSXS is hard to beat on value, plus has 150bhp.
Have ridden a couple of times with you, I'd say you'd appreciate the torque and punch of the Speed Triple over the top endiness of a GSXS for example. The Speed Triple just has grunt and fun everywhere at any speed.
£7k would get you a lovely, late, last of the non-ride by wire, ABS models. They have bags of traction and grip and have zero need for rider modes and TC.
As for alternatives? 990 Super Duke KTM or Tuono V2 in my book. Anything else is a bit different to the theme and lacks a bit of naked character or lacks torque/power.
I have a GSXS1000F in the garage too and the bikes are chalk and cheese, but if you want a do everything fast naked, the GSXS is hard to beat on value, plus has 150bhp.
Have ridden a couple of times with you, I'd say you'd appreciate the torque and punch of the Speed Triple over the top endiness of a GSXS for example. The Speed Triple just has grunt and fun everywhere at any speed.
Edited by 3DP on Monday 9th January 21:12
powerstans said:
I went from a Speed Triple 1050 with Arrows Low exhaust and map to the XSR900.
Triumph has much more of a brute but the XSR is so much more nimble and I am enjoying the chuckability. Still running in so not really opened her up yet but engine appears willing and has a noticeable different 3 cylinder note to the Speed.
For the money the XSR appears a fantastic bargain with traction control, slipper clutch and ABS, and I like the looks better than the MT-09.
I considered the MT-10 but realised I wasn't using the power of the Triumph and wasn't sold on the looks.
I have also had the CB1300 and loved it. Lazy old beast with lots of low down torque. She could move when pushed though not like a middle weight naked, tracked well through the corners but needed to be bullied through quick changes of direction. Great road presence. Sold to a friend who loves it (If my garage was bigger would have kept it).
Mt10 is a brute for the money. Ride my mates with a decat and pipe and still surprises me how well it goes. Much quicker than an mt09 and a fair bit more shove than the trumpet 1050Triumph has much more of a brute but the XSR is so much more nimble and I am enjoying the chuckability. Still running in so not really opened her up yet but engine appears willing and has a noticeable different 3 cylinder note to the Speed.
For the money the XSR appears a fantastic bargain with traction control, slipper clutch and ABS, and I like the looks better than the MT-09.
I considered the MT-10 but realised I wasn't using the power of the Triumph and wasn't sold on the looks.
I have also had the CB1300 and loved it. Lazy old beast with lots of low down torque. She could move when pushed though not like a middle weight naked, tracked well through the corners but needed to be bullied through quick changes of direction. Great road presence. Sold to a friend who loves it (If my garage was bigger would have kept it).
Reading back through the posts, think my money would be on the xsr too...damn good looking bike there
OP Def test ride a non RBW Speed 2011-2015 (badged last year as the Speed 94 and sold in parallel with the new 2016 model) - 3DP and me both own one, his is a 2013 ABS mine is 2011 non ABS. I've not felt it needing anything that the 2016 model TC/modes offers too. Also RBW is never going to feel as good as a direct linear throttle cable given how the engine is character wise.
Also you know the MT-09 has updates for 2017 too? I'm still not convinced the suspension will be anything close to the triumphs non R level even though its improved and not quite a pogo stick now the press reviews I've looked at say. Also the XSR900 surely that's just got MT-09 Suspension too?
Nothing wrong with the CP3 Yam Triple its a lovely engine let down buy budget suspension on the original MT-09 when I test rode it when it first came out.
I test rode the MT-09 Tracer and MT-10 back to back last year. The Tracer is a bit boat like for me and weaves at speed. The MT-10 is simply ballistic engine/go wise.. the RBW throttle and modes were to be honest not that good and the overall riding experience felt very remote compared to my Speed. Don't get me wrong through it was a fun experience to open the taps on the thing but to me felt nothing that special if you took performance out of the equation dare I say once again built to a budget.
Also you know the MT-09 has updates for 2017 too? I'm still not convinced the suspension will be anything close to the triumphs non R level even though its improved and not quite a pogo stick now the press reviews I've looked at say. Also the XSR900 surely that's just got MT-09 Suspension too?
Nothing wrong with the CP3 Yam Triple its a lovely engine let down buy budget suspension on the original MT-09 when I test rode it when it first came out.
I test rode the MT-09 Tracer and MT-10 back to back last year. The Tracer is a bit boat like for me and weaves at speed. The MT-10 is simply ballistic engine/go wise.. the RBW throttle and modes were to be honest not that good and the overall riding experience felt very remote compared to my Speed. Don't get me wrong through it was a fun experience to open the taps on the thing but to me felt nothing that special if you took performance out of the equation dare I say once again built to a budget.
XSR does have different suspension and Map to the original MT-09 and they have adjusted the new MT-09 suspension to match the XSR900 (Refer PH2 MT-09 review).
The main factor between the XSR900 and the Triumph Speed will be image, weight and power delivery.
Image is in the eye of the beholder, I had the last of the round light Speeds (John Bloor Edition) and loved it, couldn't find the same love for the fox eye ones.
Triumph with Low boy Exhaust and Map was more brutal than XSR though I believe that my Speed was nearer 135bhp with the changes so can't comment on the standard Speed.
Loved the look and sound of the Triumph (except disturbing the neighbours) and at 6'4" the size was really good.
XSR900 as stated previously is much lighter and more nimble and probably better in mixed riding because of it.
XSR900 slipper clutch is much lighter than the triumph one and when combined with the adjustable rider modes, traction control and ABS was much more modern than my 2009 Triumph making riding in town more relaxed.
Finally the Speed had started to have electrical issues which although bodged by me, was a potential bigger bill in the future, not such an issue on a new bike under warranty.
PX was £4,000 against a £7,800 for a new XSR900 which I thought wasn't bad as an MOT, front tyre and major service was due on the Triumph (not forgetting the electrical issue).
They are different but both fun, which one suits you will depend on riding style, perceived image of each and intended use.
The main factor between the XSR900 and the Triumph Speed will be image, weight and power delivery.
Image is in the eye of the beholder, I had the last of the round light Speeds (John Bloor Edition) and loved it, couldn't find the same love for the fox eye ones.
Triumph with Low boy Exhaust and Map was more brutal than XSR though I believe that my Speed was nearer 135bhp with the changes so can't comment on the standard Speed.
Loved the look and sound of the Triumph (except disturbing the neighbours) and at 6'4" the size was really good.
XSR900 as stated previously is much lighter and more nimble and probably better in mixed riding because of it.
XSR900 slipper clutch is much lighter than the triumph one and when combined with the adjustable rider modes, traction control and ABS was much more modern than my 2009 Triumph making riding in town more relaxed.
Finally the Speed had started to have electrical issues which although bodged by me, was a potential bigger bill in the future, not such an issue on a new bike under warranty.
PX was £4,000 against a £7,800 for a new XSR900 which I thought wasn't bad as an MOT, front tyre and major service was due on the Triumph (not forgetting the electrical issue).
They are different but both fun, which one suits you will depend on riding style, perceived image of each and intended use.
rat840771 said:
The R nine is a beautiful thing, but isn't the suspension meant to be a bit meh, with no option for adjustment ? If your going to take it on the track i understand you can also ground the engine on the corners!
It's cheap and cheerful. One of the magazines took the new Triumph Thruxton R and a BMW R9T to Cadwell and the BMW was apparently faster, better controlled and more fun. But I guess it depends what you're looking for, or if you believe magazines . . . which I don't. MCT made it significantly better, re-valved and new springs in the forks and on the shock but it's still not right. Darren said the suspension is very cheap - hence the issues.The pegs go down before the engine, took me a few miles to practice that before I believed it but they do.
If you have a '9T it'll be for the style or the engine, not because it's fast or sporty, because it's not, but it's not slow, just swift in a smooth, torquey way. For me the engine is beautiful, full of torque, sounds wonderful and feels brilliant to ride. That's more than I've had from any bike since the Hayabusa a few years ago so I'm happy with it.
My mate got his from here
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-XSR-900-Yellow-60...
He then did a cash deal on the akra, tail tidy and has also bought a different tail unit that covers the horrible rear light. The bike looks and sounds amazing. From memory the akra was around £700
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-XSR-900-Yellow-60...
He then did a cash deal on the akra, tail tidy and has also bought a different tail unit that covers the horrible rear light. The bike looks and sounds amazing. From memory the akra was around £700
anonymous said:
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Yeah, there's a link on youtube - his brother loves to video everything!
I'm sure he said they were great to deal with and i can't see how 8k can turn into 9.5k!
My mate offered cash for the Akra and got a discount, i think the bike is on PCP ( less than £100 a month) as they change their bikes every 5 mins!
Have a go on one 1st before you decide - when i rode with him last year i couldn't believe how easily the XSR wheelied and he was still running it in.
I'm sure he said they were great to deal with and i can't see how 8k can turn into 9.5k!
My mate offered cash for the Akra and got a discount, i think the bike is on PCP ( less than £100 a month) as they change their bikes every 5 mins!
Have a go on one 1st before you decide - when i rode with him last year i couldn't believe how easily the XSR wheelied and he was still running it in.
Webbs in Peterborough are good, they have this demo on offer which i think they will discount further as my mate who tested it was offered a better deal.
http://www.webbsmotorcycles.co.uk/pages/used/used-...
http://www.webbsmotorcycles.co.uk/pages/used/used-...
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