In the market...Speed Triple, RNineT or...

[mad4amanda]

Saw this today very tempting : http://www.laguna.co.uk/pages/used/used-bikes/2014... Triple R ABS&ENGINECC=675#eq1

They also had this:
http://www.laguna.co.uk/pages/used/used-bikes/2013... Triple 1050&ENGINECC=1050#eq1

Edited by mad4amanda on Monday 30th January 21:05

[Tall_Paul]

anonymous said:

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Ahh yeah the NCB won't help. I presume you only had 2 years as you normally lose 2 for a claim.

Do some quotes on an Aprilia Tuono Gen2 (2007/2008), value around £4k. It might surprise you.

You could get a street triple for that price too. Plenty of nice bikes in the £3k-5k range where insurance should be a lot easier on the pocket.

[rat840771]

Stop going on about how good they are as it really makes me want one! A mate has just bought the factory from wheels and loves it. It sits along side his 1299S!

They must be loads of fun and the Factory version is a stunning piece of kit to look at.

Much want!

Birky_41 said:

I run the factory 1100 and can honestly say they are savage fast. I have mine mapped with a AR can/decat. Was out Sunday in the wet with supercorsa's (Stupid I know) and on concrete it would easily light up on the private road from 100 - thats not an exaggeration

The electronics are amazing. WC1, LC1, ABS2 (Keeps the rear from lifting in 2) and TC 3 in dry and 6-8 in wet and you just will not believe an upright bike can pull so hard all the way through the revs. Its crap below 5k and feels like a lazy twin but jesus it goes after that

[3DP]

Plenty of updated 2011/2012 Speed Triples in the high 5ks and 6k range - any good on insurance for you?

[rat840771]

7k to the insurers is estimated value? That doesn't mean you have to cap at that, you could get the 8K bike you want and then just declare its worth 7K, if you bin it you loose 1K. If you don't bin then all is good and then when you renew a year later just state its still worth 7k?

The 990r when i tried one was a lot of cash and i was disappointing with it after riding an IL4 - the 1290 just has that extra grunt.

[pozi]

anonymous said:

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Declaring lower is a win for the insurance company, if you write it off or it gets stolen they get to pay you less than the market value, it is not like you can argue with yourself over your own valuation.

[rat840771]

It's a finger in the air IMO, yes you generally estimate a bit higher but in this case maybe just go a bit lower.

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[rat840771]

Surely if you by an XSR900 at £6.9k after 6 months and X miles how much would the insurers value the bike at?...6K

[George111]

anonymous said:

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There's probably no data for them to go on yet - the bikes that you said were OK insurance wise have all been out for a while so the insurers have a profile for them. Where's Loon when you need him

When I renewed my R9T insurance the initial quotes were double what I paid last year, even with a years NCD. Some scrabbling around found Hastings . . . not a company I'd usually use but they where a lot cheaper than most and it was back down to slightly less than last year. I think some insurers are perhaps not liking bikes this year ?

[rat840771]

For reliabilty and fun i would go with the Triumph in R, either format but personally i would go Speed.

For heart i would go RSV but would have to be the V4 APRC.

A Ducati i could not afford to own, and it would seriously piss me off if it went wrong after spending alot of cash! I have a few mates who love their Ducati's but they come with their quirks and also like to wee oil out of various places on 2015 bikes which i think is piss poor. Luckily the bikes are under warranty so they just send them back to dealers. I'm sure some would be fine but i wouldn't take the risk.

Saying all this there is no doubt that the RSV could also play up as i suppose could any bike.

Tough choice.

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[rat840771]

A few to look at!

Speeds

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/bikes-for-sale/trium...
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/bikes-for-sale/trium...
RSV4
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/bikes-for-sale/april...

[Tall_Paul]

anonymous said:

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Oops, sorry

You do get a alot for your money with a gen2 Tuono, even more so the Factory version but these are a little more expensive to insure with the ohlins/carbon/forged wheels.

If it's a monster then it has to be an 1100 EVO if you go the aircooled route, or you might just nab a 1200 for £7k...ish. if not, then the 821 is freely available for 7k, here's a 2500 mile model in the gorgeous white and red for £7k http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ducati-Monster-821-/1522...

[bogie]

If you feel like an even more niche Italian then you can get a lot of MV Brutale 1090RR for £7K ...they are 158bhp before you fit a pipe/remap. Simple electronics package compared to latest Tuono, but a lot more capable than a Speed Triple, and a lot more poke than all but the latest Monster 1200S

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MV-Agusta-Brutale-1090-R...

[Tall_Paul]

bogie said:

If you feel like an even more niche Italian then you can get a lot of MV Brutale 1090RR for £7K ...they are 158bhp before you fit a pipe/remap. Simple electronics package compared to latest Tuono, but a lot more capable than a Speed Triple, and a lot more poke than all but the latest Monster 1200S

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MV-Agusta-Brutale-1090-R...

Good lord that's a lot of bike...

If we're going properly niche Italian streetfighters... Ducati's 1098 or 848 streetfighter is also in budget

[Birky_41]

bogie said:

If you feel like an even more niche Italian then you can get a lot of MV Brutale 1090RR for £7K ...they are 158bhp before you fit a pipe/remap. Simple electronics package compared to latest Tuono, but a lot more capable than a Speed Triple, and a lot more poke than all but the latest Monster 1200S

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MV-Agusta-Brutale-1090-R...

Second this. They go like stink and are one of the only inline 4 pots I know that still feel special. Electronics are primitive but the trumpet doesn't have anything in comparison

They did a 1078 version which was meant to be an animal in the power but I've never ridden that version

[Tall_Paul]

KTM 990 SMT?

You'd get one of the last models for around 7K (with the orange frame) - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2013-KTM-990-SMT-SUPERMO...

[rat840771]

That looks great! They are meant to be a right laugh to ride ( and wheelie)

Tall_Paul said:

KTM 990 SMT?

You'd get one of the last models for around 7K (with the orange frame) - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2013-KTM-990-SMT-SUPERMO...

[2wheelsjimmy]

rat840771 said:

I've got one, it's a hoot. But I'd much rather an Aprilia Tuono APRC if possible. Or street triple R.

But I need a bike that does 2 up touring, daily hack, long rides. Which it does all off.

Edited by 2wheelsjimmy on Tuesday 31st January 21:03

I'd love a superduke 990 though. Have a ride on one of them. Decent one for £5k too, and insurance should be good.

Edited by 2wheelsjimmy on Tuesday 31st January 21:13

[patchb]

anonymous said:

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Just to make things worse, I'm with paul on this one. I love my gen 2 Tuono, it handles well, sounds great and goes a lot better than it's 140bhp would have you believe (although mine is mapped for the akra's and -1 tooth on the front) I'm perfectly happy with the R version, the only thing I'd like off the factory is the forged wheels and rear shock but the R is perfectly good as it is. Some people argue the R forks are better on road, I can't comment but I'd imagine the Ohlins are better if set up right, I know my bike had Ohlins fitted from new and removed when I bought it. Even a stock R will be perfectly adequate for a fast trackday rider.
I've had one problem with mine which was the speed sensor went and the bike wouldn't even start without it. I had it fixed under warranty but it only took about 2 days for the part to arrive. Build quality is way better than most bikes, everything is made out of decent materials and screwed together properly.



Also what about an 1100 Hypermotard? Well within budget and they seem to be pretty fun, I was considering changing my Tuono for one but I've decided to keep hold of it as I'll regret selling it and will never find another one in this colour. (I would sell if the right RSV4 came up though)

[Tall_Paul]

rat840771 said:

That looks great! They are meant to be a right laugh to ride ( and wheelie)

Tall_Paul said:

KTM 990 SMT?

You'd get one of the last models for around 7K (with the orange frame) - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2013-KTM-990-SMT-SUPERMO...

Hooligan bike? Yeah, I think so...

https://youtu.be/jh8pDcxLudE

patchb said:

Just to make things worse, I'm with paul on this one. I love my gen 2 Tuono, it handles well, sounds great and goes a lot better than it's 140bhp would have you believe (although mine is mapped for the akra's and -1 tooth on the front) I'm perfectly happy with the R version, the only thing I'd like off the factory is the forged wheels and rear shock but the R is perfectly good as it is. Some people argue the R forks are better on road, I can't comment but I'd imagine the Ohlins are better if set up right, I know my bike had Ohlins fitted from new and removed when I bought it. Even a stock R will be perfectly adequate for a fast trackday rider.
I've had one problem with mine which was the speed sensor went and the bike wouldn't even start without it. I had it fixed under warranty but it only took about 2 days for the part to arrive. Build quality is way better than most bikes, everything is made out of decent materials and screwed together properly.



Also what about an 1100 Hypermotard? Well within budget and they seem to be pretty fun, I was considering changing my Tuono for one but I've decided to keep hold of it as I'll regret selling it and will never find another one in this colour. (I would sell if the right RSV4 came up though)

Get a 42 on the rear, 15/42 is the perfect set up. Still comfy on the motorway (80mph at 5100rpm) and good round town. The ohlins are a little stiff, they're better when you're pushing on a little. I've set mine up now and am pretty happy with them, when i got the bike they were far too hard and I could feel every ripple in the road. I also raised the forks to show a couple more rings up top and this transformed the turn in. I've only done 1000 miles on mine but was really starting to get to know the bike by the end of those miles, 'telepathic handling' is the phrase I used

The build quality is amazing, magnesium engine covers (clutch and rocker covers), CNC machined top clamps/handlebar clamps, and of course all the factory stuff (shedloads of carbon, the wheels and ohlins). I looked long and hard but couldn't find anything else close that rivals it in what you get for your money.