2017 GSXR 1000R

[cmaguire]

obscene said:

I think that's myself and a lot of others sold on the base model. Buy that, whack in Ktech suspension (other brands available!) and an HM Quickshifter and see if downshift blipping can be unlocked in the ecu not that I would personally be fussed about it. Quids in.

If you're buying to use only on track or a lot on track you are probably right as you'd change the suspension anyway and thats the main difference.

As predominantly a road bike (where maybe only the ugly can gets binned) the R model will be more attractive for the kudos value and the rest will work just fine.

[Gandahar]

Not quite sure when the Fiesta ST200 is over £20k and sells in the bucketloads, mainly to youngsters, people on here are complaining of the price.

My guess is the average superbike buyer of yore was a lot younger than todays lot and didn't bother counting the pennies.

[cmaguire]

Gandahar said:

Not quite sure when the Fiesta ST200 is over £20k and sells in the bucketloads, mainly to youngsters, people on here are complaining of the price.

My guess is the average superbike buyer of yore was a lot younger than todays lot and didn't bother counting the pennies.

I would have thought the reverse. Most superbike buyers now are loaded old farts, and if not there's PCP for the younger ones.

I couldn't justify the commitment when I might have bought one twenty years ago and hire purchase or bank loan was the only option.

Now I'm a semi-loaded semi-old fart who can just about stretch to justifying this (at £16000) but not much more.

[cmaguire]

Ho Lee Kau said:

On the base one you get:

1. same electronics as on R
2. not the BFFork and BFShock (you get BPFork and standard shock)
3. not the quickshifter/blipper
4. not the motogp blue paint
5. not the white on black dash (instead it will be black on white)
6. not the led turn signals
7. not the led "eyebrows"

The frame and swingarm is black on both standard and R. Honda did it even worse, if you like polished frame and swingarm (I very much do) you HAVE to buy SP/SP2.

Wishful thinking on 4., unless the Suzuki website is wrong.
It would be nice if the MotoGP colours singled out the R, as I've ordered one, but they don't.

[Ilovejapcrap]

I paid 13k for a brand new Suzuki swift sport.

Am I the only one who feels bikes are well overpriced

[cmaguire]

Ilovejapcrap said:

I paid 13k for a brand new Suzuki swift sport.

Am I the only one who feels bikes are well overpriced

The equivalent car to a GSXR1000R is something like a Lexus LFA rather than a Suzuki Swift Sport. That's more akin to a Z650.

[WaferThinHam]

cmaguire said:

Ilovejapcrap said:

I paid 13k for a brand new Suzuki swift sport.

Am I the only one who feels bikes are well overpriced

The equivalent car to a GSXR1000R is something like a Lexus LFA rather than a Suzuki Swift Sport. That's more akin to a Z650.

No way! A Swift Sport is more like an R125!

[cmaguire]

WaferThinHam said:

No way! A Swift Sport is more like an R125!

I didn't want to put the boot in too much.

Just making the point that the bikes aren't overpriced. They've been really cheap until recently.
Just look at how many supposedly performance cars still have crappy sliding calipers up front.

[trickywoo]

cmaguire said:

I didn't want to put the boot in too much.

Just making the point that the bikes aren't overpriced. They've been really cheap until recently.
Just look at how many supposedly performance cars still have crappy sliding calipers up front.

Just to make us all cry into our super unleaded the list price of the RR in the USA is $17,000 which at the exchange rate this time last year (£1 = $1.45) would be £11,700.

There may of course be a tax element to consider too but, how much value in the States?

[Ho Lee Kau]

Timbo_S2 said:

Renn Sport said:

Hmm... I want the bi directional quick shifter but I am not too fussed about launch control or BFF's.

I'd probably end up with a Ohlins rear shock (predictable) and some K-tech internals for the forks anyway.

hmmnn...

Now wondering if the base model is looking semi-attractive!

200bhp!

My thinking too. Ohlins TTX Shock and R&T forks, and I bet you can buy the QS sensor and enable the settings in the ECU with a re-flash. Bingo - better bike, less money!

So you need to buy TTX Shock, R&T forks, install them, buy a QS sensor and do a reflash....ahh, how is that going to end up cheaper than buying GXSXR1000R version in the first place?

[Ho Lee Kau]

trickywoo said:

graeme4130 said:

I think the only thing that separates all these new bikes now is the ease of the user interface, and Honda appear to have nailed that with a simple up or down control for suspension, engine and electronics intervention on the new blade.

The SP (with the semi-active suspension) is £19k though and as others have said a base GSXR 1000 for £13k with an extra couple of £K for Ohlins / K Tech might be the smart choice. I'm not arguing with active suspension being superior (I have no experience) but there are lots of suspension specialists out there who will get you a set of track and road settings to your weight / style etc at not great expense.

Really looking forward to the round of group tests this year.

It will be more than "couple of £k", RT forks cost 2000+ USD, the TTX Shock is 1000+ USD, plus you need to pay for work, plus you need to pay to buy the QS and install it. In the end it will end up more expensive than buying R version.

[Ho Lee Kau]

Walter Sobchak said:

Broccers said:

Ive a K7 with 4k on it - each year I see it rise in value mainly because its one of the last bikes you ride yourself without electoids to save your bacon.

Love the sound these make tho - awesome. Not 11 grands worth of awesome tho.

Edited by Broccers on Friday 10th February 16:49

The thing is they don't save your bacon, not really, traction control can help give you confidence to get on the power a bit earlier out of corners, most people aren't going to just pin the throttle open while lent over.
Electronic aids won't help if you misjudge a corner and go into it too fast, thinking that new bikes are almost uncrashable is a misconception.

Funny, I was just rewatching 44Teeth youtube channel, in particular their comparison of R1M and RSV4RF. Yahama has this slide control function that RSV4RF lacks. So these dudes then say "I dread to imagine what would happen if the electronics were to malfunction, you'd end up in the sky". The next minute they say "R1M makes you a hero, you can just wack the throttle open on corner exit and pass everyone because of the slide control functionality". On one hand they kind of say electronics will not save you if you cannot ride properly, on the other hand they say "embrace the new age of electronic bikes". Weird.

[Ho Lee Kau]

cmaguire said:

Ho Lee Kau said:

On the base one you get:

1. same electronics as on R
2. not the BFFork and BFShock (you get BPFork and standard shock)
3. not the quickshifter/blipper
4. not the motogp blue paint
5. not the white on black dash (instead it will be black on white)
6. not the led turn signals
7. not the led "eyebrows"

The frame and swingarm is black on both standard and R. Honda did it even worse, if you like polished frame and swingarm (I very much do) you HAVE to buy SP/SP2.

Wishful thinking on 4., unless the Suzuki website is wrong.
It would be nice if the MotoGP colours singled out the R, as I've ordered one, but they don't.

I was wrong, the blue color will be available on stock model as well.
You've ordered R? Congratulations!

I like the Suzuki blue a lot, but recently have been gravitating to the GSXR1000R in black with blue wheels and forks. I kind of like my black K6, it looks mean.

[obscene]

Ho Lee Kau said:

So you need to buy TTX Shock, R&T forks, install them, buy a QS sensor and do a reflash....ahh, how is that going to end up cheaper than buying GXSXR1000R version in the first place?

It'll be around the same but you'd end up with a better spec bike with suspension set up for you. Plus if you're handy with a spanner, it's not really hard at all to fit the suspension and a quickshifter. Reflash however will need a bike shop. It seems like the smart mans choice if you know you're eventually going to change to high spec suspension anyway or use it a lot on track as well as the road.

[Walter Sobchak]

Ho Lee Kau said:

Funny, I was just rewatching 44Teeth youtube channel, in particular their comparison of R1M and RSV4RF. Yahama has this slide control function that RSV4RF lacks. So these dudes then say "I dread to imagine what would happen if the electronics were to malfunction, you'd end up in the sky". The next minute they say "R1M makes you a hero, you can just wack the throttle open on corner exit and pass everyone because of the slide control functionality". On one hand they kind of say electronics will not save you if you cannot ride properly, on the other hand they say "embrace the new age of electronic bikes". Weird.

I've ridden the new R1 briefly but it was only a test ride and didn't mess about with the settings too much, I'm not sure how having the slide control differs from normal traction control to be honest.
I'm not disputing that electronics on bikes work and work well, just with road riding you don't need them as much as for them to come into play in most situations you'd have to be riding like a complete loon, they're great on track though.

[Renn Sport]

obscene said:

Ho Lee Kau said:

So you need to buy TTX Shock, R&T forks, install them, buy a QS sensor and do a reflash....ahh, how is that going to end up cheaper than buying GXSXR1000R version in the first place?

It'll be around the same but you'd end up with a better spec bike with suspension set up for you. Plus if you're handy with a spanner, it's not really hard at all to fit the suspension and a quickshifter. Reflash however will need a bike shop. It seems like the smart mans choice if you know you're eventually going to change to high spec suspension anyway or use it a lot on track as well as the road.

Also you can do it in stages. Buy the bike... set suspension. Following year invest in a shock, then maybe fork internals.

Exhaust can follow...

Still 13k for a track bike is still a lot of money.

I find that a new 200bhp with all the clever electronics for 13k pretty attractive. Also I disagree with the point made that 'if the bike was cheaper' it would sell a lot more. On the contrary I think it would sell a hell of a lot more!

[Renn Sport]

GSXR1000 - £13000
BMW S1000RR - £13950
ZX10R - £13649
R1 - £15,600
CBR1000 - £16000
1299 - £17,025
959 - £1309

looking at the conventional bikes aside from the Aprillia RSV4 RF £19,500

The market looks quite competitive. The ZX10R and S1000RR still look great value given where the prices are heading.

[trickywoo]

Renn Sport said:

GSXR1000 - £13000
BMW S1000RR - £13950
ZX10R - £13649
R1 - £15,600
CBR1000 - £16000
1299 - £17,025
959 - £1309

looking at the conventional bikes aside from the Aprillia RSV4 RF £19,500

The market looks quite competitive. The ZX10R and S1000RR still look great value given where the prices are heading.

The base spec 'blade looks a bit dear in that list.

[Ilovejapcrap]

cmaguire said:

Ilovejapcrap said:

I paid 13k for a brand new Suzuki swift sport.

Am I the only one who feels bikes are well overpriced

The equivalent car to a GSXR1000R is something like a Lexus LFA rather than a Suzuki Swift Sport. That's more akin to a Z650.

I think your missing the point slightly. Look at the actual materials etc time. It's in transport etc

[K8-600]

trickywoo said:

Renn Sport said:

GSXR1000 - £13000
BMW S1000RR - £13950
ZX10R - £13649
R1 - £15,600
CBR1000 - £16000
1299 - £17,025
959 - £1309

looking at the conventional bikes aside from the Aprillia RSV4 RF £19,500

The market looks quite competitive. The ZX10R and S1000RR still look great value given where the prices are heading.

The base spec 'blade looks a bit dear in that list.

I was thinking exactly the same, how is it so expensive?