2017 GSXR 1000R

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cmaguire

3,589 posts

108 months

Monday 13th February 2017
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Ilovejapcrap said:
I think your missing the point slightly. Look at the actual materials etc time. It's in transport etc
Transport?

I can send a container with 23 tonnes in it to Dubai for £1500.

Your car is basic, a superbike has a lot of R&D invested in it.

Ho Lee Kau

2,278 posts

124 months

Monday 13th February 2017
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obscene said:
Ho Lee Kau said:
So you need to buy TTX Shock, R&T forks, install them, buy a QS sensor and do a reflash....ahh, how is that going to end up cheaper than buying GXSXR1000R version in the first place?
It'll be around the same but you'd end up with a better spec bike with suspension set up for you. Plus if you're handy with a spanner, it's not really hard at all to fit the suspension and a quickshifter. Reflash however will need a bike shop. It seems like the smart mans choice if you know you're eventually going to change to high spec suspension anyway or use it a lot on track as well as the road.
I will not argue, I don't know. I also do not race.
Isn't BFF forks pretty special though? I've seen similar tech on MotoGP bikes.
I am not good with the spanner so for me work cost also counts.

Ho Lee Kau

2,278 posts

124 months

Monday 13th February 2017
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Walter Sobchak said:
Ho Lee Kau said:
Funny, I was just rewatching 44Teeth youtube channel, in particular their comparison of R1M and RSV4RF. Yahama has this slide control function that RSV4RF lacks. So these dudes then say "I dread to imagine what would happen if the electronics were to malfunction, you'd end up in the sky". The next minute they say "R1M makes you a hero, you can just wack the throttle open on corner exit and pass everyone because of the slide control functionality". On one hand they kind of say electronics will not save you if you cannot ride properly, on the other hand they say "embrace the new age of electronic bikes". Weird.
I've ridden the new R1 briefly but it was only a test ride and didn't mess about with the settings too much, I'm not sure how having the slide control differs from normal traction control to be honest.
I'm not disputing that electronics on bikes work and work well, just with road riding you don't need them as much as for them to come into play in most situations you'd have to be riding like a complete loon, they're great on track though.
Well, just find the 44Teeth video, one of the reviewers is BSB rider, I think. There is a video when he leaves a 100 meter long black line going through corner leaned over on R1M, that's slide control, let's you slide and no crash, this is because R1M has 6-axis IMU, Aprilia does not have it.
Yes, they also mentioned that on the road that slide control is never used (you must have a death wish to ride on the road like that) but they still said R1M made you feel more relaxed, due to electronics.
I have no electronic aids on my bikes, only ABS on Daytona 675, but I am not an amazing rider, so I do not push the envelope of my bikes at all.

RemaL

24,967 posts

233 months

Monday 13th February 2017
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Biker's Nemesis said:
Broccers said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
Not everyone does PCP or credit.
Not everyone has a new bike.

If you want one and use it a decent amount rather than it being a toy then the numbers work - same with cars.
Yeah.....I know! 10/10 for missing my point.
my last 3 bikes have been new. I have never bought it on credit. Or any bike or car ever.

And no i'm not a powerfully built MD either.

So when does everyone buy on PCP?

RemaL

24,967 posts

233 months

Monday 13th February 2017
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Richyboy said:
I can't wait to see the group test now the Japanese are back.
You what? Are Back? when did they leave. BMW come in with a cracker in 2010. but never seen the Japs ran away. The Blade has been a winner in most race series. ZX10 also.
Tech wise you have the H2.
New R1

When did the Japanese leave? as they must have to "come back"

Edited by RemaL on Tuesday 14th February 08:02

trickywoo

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11,705 posts

229 months

Monday 13th February 2017
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I know what Richyboy means. Prior to the new 2017 models the Honda was essentially a 2008 bike and the Suzuki 2009. Kawasaki were fast on the electronics scene but not the others. Outside of race series the BMW has won most 1000cc sport bike group tests since 2010.

Now all the big players have comparable technology bikes I agree it'll be the best year for group tests for a very long time.

cmaguire

3,589 posts

108 months

Monday 13th February 2017
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trickywoo said:
I know what Richyboy means. Prior to the new 2017 models the Honda was essentially a 2008 bike and the Suzuki 2009. Kawasaki were fast on the electronics scene but not the others. Outside of race series the BMW has won most 1000cc sport bike group tests since 2010.

Now all the big players have comparable technology bikes I agree it'll be the best year for group tests for a very long time.
All the magazines slate the ZX10 but look at WSB, whereas they all love the S1000R but that does nothing in short circuit racing (I wonder if it's the way Michael Dunlop muscles them around like David Jefferies did that makes it a winner on the roads more than anything else).
I just think that for normal human beings they are all so close it just doesn't matter and when you start chucking parts at them like the race teams do then they aren't the same bike anymore and what they were is irrelevant.
So buy what you like if you can afford it, or if not get the one you can afford that you like the best and it won't really matter, they're all good.
The electronics is the big deal now. Last year this meant the Fireblade and GSXR were old hat.
Now they're all the same so the group test should be very interesting. The most interesting thing to me is whether the electronics will make me quicker. I think this will be a mind over matter thing, needing to put trust in them first in order to push and gain the benefits.
Have I got the bottle? That remains to be seen. If not I'm not going any faster, if I have then it'll be interesting to ride with someone that is currently similarly on a bike that is electronics free. I won't have any excuses if he is quicker. Bugger. Pressure's on.

obscene

5,174 posts

184 months

Thursday 16th February 2017
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Blue = 2017 GSXR
Red = 2016 R1
Green = 2016 ZX-10

All as standard and same rear tyre.

Safe to say, I want the new GSXR-1000 right now smile

2wheelsjimmy

620 posts

96 months

Thursday 16th February 2017
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Jeez thats some difference.

RemaL

24,967 posts

233 months

Thursday 16th February 2017
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obscene said:


Blue = 2017 GSXR
Red = 2016 R1
Green = 2016 ZX-10

All as standard and same rear tyre.

Safe to say, I want the new GSXR-1000 right now smile
My Kwak will be on the dyno over the next week to 10 days. I'll post it up to show what kwaks can do wink

and shame no new Blade on that graph

moto_traxport

4,235 posts

220 months

Thursday 16th February 2017
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obscene said:


Blue = 2017 GSXR
Red = 2016 R1
Green = 2016 ZX-10

All as standard and same rear tyre.

Safe to say, I want the new GSXR-1000 right now smile
Why are they on run 67 on the GSXR? Are they mapping or flashing it?

Does the latest R1 have that much a lower rev ceiling (750 rpm?) than the others?

obscene

5,174 posts

184 months

Thursday 16th February 2017
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moto_traxport said:
Why are they on run 67 on the GSXR? Are they mapping or flashing it?

Does the latest R1 have that much a lower rev ceiling (750 rpm?) than the others?
Not a clue, pulled off facebook and it's been making the rounds. Thought people on here would be interested in seeing it. Should make a fantastic road bike with the torque curve.

Walter Sobchak

5,723 posts

223 months

Thursday 16th February 2017
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Ho Lee Kau said:
Well, just find the 44Teeth video, one of the reviewers is BSB rider, I think. There is a video when he leaves a 100 meter long black line going through corner leaned over on R1M, that's slide control, let's you slide and no crash, this is because R1M has 6-axis IMU, Aprilia does not have it.
Yes, they also mentioned that on the road that slide control is never used (you must have a death wish to ride on the road like that) but they still said R1M made you feel more relaxed, due to electronics.
I have no electronic aids on my bikes, only ABS on Daytona 675, but I am not an amazing rider, so I do not push the envelope of my bikes at all.
I'd love to try it on track it does sound fun!!, I think the new RSV4 does have the 6 axis now, but only for 2017.

Ho Lee Kau

2,278 posts

124 months

Thursday 16th February 2017
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I went to SwissMoto today, looked at all these bikes.
IMHO, the best looking bike (disregard 1299S, which is PITA on the street) are the new Fireblade SP and Aprilia RSV4RF (RR version looks less attractive).

I've seen GSXR1000R, in MotoGP blue, but on a stand. It's nice. Exhaust is definitely huge. I sat on a black with red wheels GSXR1000 non-R. It's ok, but it doesn't look good in that color combination and just feels a bit cheap everywhere (I have K6, which I like, I am not biased against Suzuki).

1299S was the most expensive. Clearly.

I thought FIreblade SP was the second expensive...until I saw the price of R1M! O_O

And funnily enough, RSV4RF costs less than Fireblade SP!

Edited by Ho Lee Kau on Thursday 16th February 22:49

bennyboysvuk

3,491 posts

247 months

Friday 17th February 2017
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graeme4130 said:
I think the only thing that separates all these new bikes now is the ease of the user interface, and Honda appear to have nailed that with a simple up or down control for suspension, engine and electronics intervention on the new blade. All the others seems to have become so complicated (and ultimately capable) that getting a good setting between all the various parameters is beyond the reach of most riders
This is a really interesting point, however I've read that the Fireblade's new user interface is too simplified and you can't customise the settings enough to make it perfect for you.

Ultimately, bikes are such a personal thing that I think NOT making a bike's electronics system completely customisable is a mistake. I would want to be able to choose the level of every nanny and store that setting and have it be the default every time I start the bike. If it defaults to a super-nanny then it will frustrate me. Does any bike on the market allow that kind of customisation at the moment?

e.g.
Anti-wheelie off
Slide control somewhere in the middle
ABS on for the front, which turns off when the rear brake is applied. Failing that, ABS off.

Renn Sport

2,761 posts

208 months

Friday 17th February 2017
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obscene said:


Blue = 2017 GSXR
Red = 2016 R1
Green = 2016 ZX-10

All as standard and same rear tyre.

Safe to say, I want the new GSXR-1000 right now smile
Looks so so impressive! I am so intrigued to see how this bike will go. The R model is the same price as the base fireblade.



trickywoo

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11,705 posts

229 months

Friday 17th February 2017
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Renn Sport said:
obscene said:


Blue = 2017 GSXR
Red = 2016 R1
Green = 2016 ZX-10

All as standard and same rear tyre.

Safe to say, I want the new GSXR-1000 right now smile
Looks so so impressive! I am so intrigued to see how this bike will go. The R model is the same price as the base fireblade.
Pinch of salt given the source. Curve looks a bit too smooth to me. Would love it to be true.

obscene

5,174 posts

184 months

Friday 17th February 2017
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http://pcr-performance.co.uk/

https://www.facebook.com/PCRPERFORMANCE/

There's your source smile

"The bike was run in before I started the power runs & I had been trying things at different throttle percentages , they soon mount up , the other bikes are ran until the peak bhp plateaus out and then they start to drop off or remain the same , the seat unit is removed to allow access to the ecu so I can get a rpm pick up for the dyno"

Explanation for 67th run.


fergus

6,430 posts

274 months

Friday 17th February 2017
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trickywoo said:
Renn Sport said:
obscene said:


Blue = 2017 GSXR
Red = 2016 R1
Green = 2016 ZX-10

All as standard and same rear tyre.

Safe to say, I want the new GSXR-1000 right now smile
Looks so so impressive! I am so intrigued to see how this bike will go. The R model is the same price as the base fireblade.
Pinch of salt given the source. Curve looks a bit too smooth to me. Would love it to be true.
If that is a "stock" curve, then it looks similar to a BSB race bike which may have spent literally 100s of hours on the dyno. All credit to Suzuki if true. It must be like riding a turbine. Will make a great tourer hehe

graeme4130

3,823 posts

180 months

Friday 17th February 2017
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I had a sit on one at the motorbike show today
It's pretty big like my ZX10R and the quality looks cheap and plasticy
However, going by what I've hear of how it rides, all those cheap bits would come off and I'm sure it'll make s great race/track bike