R1 stolen in broad daylight

[Biker's Nemesis]

Fleegle said:

I think we are too far down the line of liberalism to do anything about it. You can thank the likes of those who have turned prisons in to holiday camps and judges into lily livered do-gooders. There is no discipline amongst the younger generation and no fear of the law or respect for other people and their property. These youngsters lead a feral existence, quite often through lack of leadership from their benefit scrounging peers. Nothing is going to change anytime in the near future unless the parents are brought to account

Thanks for the reply Tony.

I can see both sides of the discussion and I am pretty frustrated with how some things have changed dramitically since I was younger

Shall we do an "only fools and horses", done our batman and robin gear, fire up the 3 wheeler and put the streets of London right.

The rest of you lot, it's easy to ridicule someone on a forum for wanting to take a stand but where will it all stop if no one does, the uk has changed a lot in the last 20 years, people getting murdered, stabbed and a host of other unpleasant things.

We're getting like a flock of sheep in a pen with wolves just nipping in a picking one off at a time, we should be thankful if someone lifts their head above the rest and takes a stand. You never know, one day you may be personally be thankful of someone with a backbone.

[black-k1]

Fleegle said:

Biker's Nemesis said:

What's the answer then to stop law abiding people becoming victims?

I think we are too far down the line of liberalism to do anything about it. You can thank the likes of those who have turned prisons in to holiday camps and judges into lily livered do-gooders. There is no discipline amongst the younger generation and no fear of the law or respect for other people and their property. These youngsters lead a feral existence, quite often through lack of leadership from their benefit scrounging peers. Nothing is going to change anytime in the near future unless the parents are brought to account

I think that, like all complex problems, there is a simple, obvious and wrong answer!

The reality is that there always have been thieving scum who ignore the law. Blaming the parents, the judges, society or whatever, and implying that it used to be OK, is too easy and wrong. All of the people involved in these crimes appears to be over 18 and thus are responsible for their own actions. It’s no one else’s fault but theirs regardless of their upbringing, their previous encounters with the justice system or whatever.

There is no easy answer but having more police, both visible and covert, who see this type of crime as a priority, will help reduce the occurrences, but will cost. Are we all willing to pay more in taxes to stop it happening?

[SystemParanoia]

Biker's Nemesis said:

Fleegle said:

I think we are too far down the line of liberalism to do anything about it. You can thank the likes of those who have turned prisons in to holiday camps and judges into lily livered do-gooders. There is no discipline amongst the younger generation and no fear of the law or respect for other people and their property. These youngsters lead a feral existence, quite often through lack of leadership from their benefit scrounging peers. Nothing is going to change anytime in the near future unless the parents are brought to account

Thanks for the reply Tony.

I can see both sides of the discussion and I am pretty frustrated with how some things have changed dramitically since I was younger

Shall we do an "only fools and horses", done our batman and robin gear, fire up the 3 wheeler and put the streets of London right.

The rest of you lot, it's easy to ridicule someone on a forum for wanting to take a stand but where will it all stop if no one does, the uk has changed a lot in the last 20 years, people getting murdered, stabbed and a host of other unpleasant things.

We're getting like a flock of sheep in a pen with wolves just nipping in a picking one off at a time, we should be thankful if someone lifts their head above the rest and takes a stand. You never know, one day you may be personally be thankful of someone with a backbone.

I think everyone has to try and fight crime once in a while
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=670...

[Rawwr]

Don't forget that the more people who watch something bad happen, the less likely it is for someone to intervene. It's called the bystander effect. People assume that someone else will do something.

A single man will save a life. A crowd will watch a man die.

[bennyboysvuk]

I'm not sure if this anti-carjacking device could work, but it's nice to think that it might.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLhWzMOccTg

[Wedg1e]

Rawwr said:

Don't forget that the more people who watch something bad happen, the less likely it is for someone to intervene. It's called the bystander effect. People assume that someone else will do something.

A single man will save a life. A crowd will watch a man die.

Y'see, I'd like to think that the same gang mentality that has 20,000 footie fans going in mob-handed, would see all those bystanders follow the example of one guy shouting 'come on then'...

How did we ever win wars?

[Gavia]

blade7 said:

25 years ago some s made a couple of attempts to steal my Cosworth from the lockup where I kept it. Back then there's a fair chance that if I'd have caught them at it a baseball game could have occurred. These days after watching programmes like one punch killers I don't fancy the prospect of prison food over an insured car/bike.

And chances are that you'd have lost.

Anthony Crolla springs to mind here. A world class (and former world champion) boxer, few would stand a chance one on one with him, even though he fights at lightweight. He decided to take on two burglars and ended with a severe head injury and a broken ankle. These scrotes won't stand there and met you attack them, nor will they let you beat their mate up, before starting on you one at a time.

The advice has always been to let them get on with it and let the police deal if they can. The fact that they're so brazen is that we're now onto the third generation of benefit scrounging feral sinkhole estate scum who will never work for a living. Jail hasn't been a place to fear for a long time, in the 60s and onwards it was a place to hone your skills and build your network for when you were released and that continues today.

The fact these scrotes exist in such numbers is a sad indictment of our society over the past few decades, but wading into them will not solve anything. It also won't end with you ending up arrested by plod if you somehow miraculously win.

The way you'd need to look at it if you were going to wade in is that you're going to hospital, it's just whether you can take any with you. That is not a sensible position to put yourself in.

[Gusto]

Why cannot bikes be fitted with an electronic handbrake style system that would not release if the wires were cut?

Anything to disable the bike from free-wheeling is the only natural defense against these type of thefts. Once they are lifted into a van you have another problem, but most thefts seem to be wheeled away after cutting lock/disc.

The idea of riding around with 10 kilos of chain and locks is pretty off-putting so I think you have to go back to making a bike less mobile when parked.

[SystemParanoia]

Gusto said:

Why cannot bikes be fitted with an electronic handbrake style system that would not release if the wires were cut?

Anything to disable the bike from free-wheeling is the only natural defense against these type of thefts. Once they are lifted into a van you have another problem, but most thefts seem to be wheeled away after cutting lock/disc.

The idea of riding around with 10 kilos of chain and locks is pretty off-putting so I think you have to go back to making a bike less mobile when parked.

nothing to stop you fitting a line-lock ( electric or otherwise ) of your own

you'll have to hide it well though.. scrotes will just cut the brake line with the angle grinder they're already holding

Edited by SystemParanoia on Monday 20th March 13:06

[308mate]

SystemParanoia said:

Gusto said:

Why cannot bikes be fitted with an electronic handbrake style system that would not release if the wires were cut?

Anything to disable the bike from free-wheeling is the only natural defense against these type of thefts. Once they are lifted into a van you have another problem, but most thefts seem to be wheeled away after cutting lock/disc.

The idea of riding around with 10 kilos of chain and locks is pretty off-putting so I think you have to go back to making a bike less mobile when parked.

nothing to stop you fitting a line-lock of your own

There's an idea. What if you pulled the front brake on and hid a hose clamp on the front brake line somewhere (assuming rubber lines)? Kill switch wont work as the bike moved without the engine.

Would an alarm have changed the outcome in that situation? People had already stopped to look but the alarm wailing ensure ensures everyone takes a look for the entirety of the journey.

If I couldn't park under my building, I'd rethink riding into the city, definitely. Having a bike stolen isn't the end of the world but life is hard enough, why complicate it with something that is so likely to occur?

[SystemParanoia]

308mate said:

SystemParanoia said:

Gusto said:

Why cannot bikes be fitted with an electronic handbrake style system that would not release if the wires were cut?

Anything to disable the bike from free-wheeling is the only natural defense against these type of thefts. Once they are lifted into a van you have another problem, but most thefts seem to be wheeled away after cutting lock/disc.

The idea of riding around with 10 kilos of chain and locks is pretty off-putting so I think you have to go back to making a bike less mobile when parked.

nothing to stop you fitting a line-lock of your own

There's an idea. What if you pulled the front brake on and hid a hose clamp on the front brake line somewhere (assuming rubber lines)? Kill switch wont work as the bike moved without the engine.

Would an alarm have changed the outcome in that situation? People had already stopped to look but the alarm wailing ensure ensures everyone takes a look for the entirety of the journey.

If I couldn't park under my building, I'd rethink riding into the city, definitely. Having a bike stolen isn't the end of the world but life is hard enough, why complicate it with something that is so likely to occur?

$10 for a manual one

https://www.daymotorsports.com/shop-by/brakes/brak...



alarm will not make a difference.

[Brummmie]

Its getting lawless everywhere now, Ive just had two expensive Bicycles stolen from my out buildings (took the hinges off), they were a similar value to my wifes 2011 Audi, but the police are not Interested, and they know it..
In South Birmingham we have wild yoofs in gangs with quads and Crossers, these i suggest are the budding kind of darlings that are going on to this kind of bike theft for the next level?
Even in Redditch on my trading Estate, the night time has balaclava clad yoofs standing on seats of crossers up and down for hours undisturbed, parents must know they have these bikes, why do they let them out on them?
Sadly I think its going to get worse..

If you want anything car/bike even Fecking Bicycles you literally must guard it with your life..

Edited by Brummmie on Monday 20th March 14:10

[SystemParanoia]

Brummmie said:

Its getting lawless everywhere now, Ive just had two expensive Bicycles stolen from my out buildings (took the hinges off), they were a similar value to my wifes 2011 Audi, but the police are not Interested, and they know it..
In South Birmingham we have wild yoofs in gangs with quads and Crossers, these i suggest are the budding kind of darlings that are going on to this kind of bike theft for the next level?
Even in Redditch on my trading Estate, the night time has balaclava clad yoofs standing on seats of crossers up and down for hours undisturbed, parents must know they have these bikes, why do they let them out on them?
Sadly I think its going to get worse..

I'd rather be drifting the clover in redditch
nothing else there but trees and hedges

[creampuff]

Wedg1e said:

How did we ever win wars?

They happened before the mentality that brought you IHAT happened.

[xjay1337]

Brummmie said:

Its getting lawless everywhere now, Ive just had two expensive Bicycles stolen from my out buildings (took the hinges off)

[creampuff]

I can think of two quite plausible outcomes, both bad for yourself by getting involved. You don't know if the crooks are armed and you don't know if they will run or fight. But you would have to assume for your own safety that they are armed and they will fight, so if you intervene then you cannot pussy-foot around. So:

- They are armed. Then you have just picked a fight with someone armed and who cares less about their life than you care about yours.

- They aren't armed, but because you need to assume they are armed for your own safety, you use a disproportionate amount of force, so you find yourself under arrest and prosecuted. The crook also finds themselves prosecuted, but since they have averaged 4 convictions a year for the last 5 years, they don't really care.

[julian64]

creampuff said:

I can think of two quite plausible outcomes, both bad for yourself by getting involved. You don't know if the crooks are armed and you don't know if they will run or fight. But you would have to assume for your own safety that they are armed and they will fight, so if you intervene then you cannot pussy-foot around. So:

- They are armed. Then you have just picked a fight with someone armed and who cares less about their life than you care about yours.

- They aren't armed, but because you need to assume they are armed for your own safety, you use a disproportionate amount of force, so you find yourself under arrest and prosecuted. The crook also finds themselves prosecuted, but since they have averaged 4 convictions a year for the last 5 years, they don't really care.

How do you face getting up in the morning?

[Mosdef]

julian64 said:

creampuff said:

I can think of two quite plausible outcomes, both bad for yourself by getting involved. You don't know if the crooks are armed and you don't know if they will run or fight. But you would have to assume for your own safety that they are armed and they will fight, so if you intervene then you cannot pussy-foot around. So:

- They are armed. Then you have just picked a fight with someone armed and who cares less about their life than you care about yours.

- They aren't armed, but because you need to assume they are armed for your own safety, you use a disproportionate amount of force, so you find yourself under arrest and prosecuted. The crook also finds themselves prosecuted, but since they have averaged 4 convictions a year for the last 5 years, they don't really care.

How do you face getting up in the morning?

Please can we clone you?

[Biker's Nemesis]

It's no good insulting each other and arguing, it's not us lot stealing bikes

[Rawwr]

Biker's Nemesis said:

It's no good insulting each other and arguing, it's not us lot stealing bikes

...as far as you know.