R1 stolen in broad daylight

[Renn Sport]

We always do this with these kinds of threads...

First outrage. Then some bellend comes on with story about how he was Reggie Kray's long lost brother with his courage beyond all odds in a similar situation. 'I am so very HARD and brave its ridiculous I tell yer!'

Then someone points out we don't all live in villages and its not 1983 anymore when the Sweeney would have swooped in.

Afterwards the people not from urban cities chime in to proclaim its a city issue and you're all soft.

Someone then points out bullst... then we step through it all again.



FFS - we all hate thieves... why turn on each other and blame one another for inaction for some scummy bds actions?

I have no doubt if any of you are attacked personally that you'll defend yourselves. Yes we are men. Yes this st is wrong. No we don't need to prove masculinity on this thread, unless your really feeling your inadequacies.

[julian64]

Mosdef said:

Please can we clone you?

Not sure BB could stand another one of me. That would make two motorcyclists on the planet that don't countersteer, don't believe in mass motorcycling deafness, never put their knee down, and admit to hating wheelies.

Not sure there is room for one of me on this forum let along two.

[Mosdef]

julian64 said:

Mosdef said:

Please can we clone you?

Not sure BB could stand another one of me. That would make two motorcyclists on the planet that don't countersteer, don't believe in mass motorcycling deafness, never put their knee down, and admit to hating wheelies.

Not sure there is room for one of me on this forum let along two.

Very good!

[creampuff]

julian64 said:

Not sure BB could stand another one of me. That would make two motorcyclists on the planet that don't countersteer, don't believe in mass motorcycling deafness, never put their knee down, and admit to hating wheelies.

You can't turn a two axle, two wheel vehicle (ie a motorbike) without counter steering. That's how they turn.

[creampuff]

Anyway, for everone saying they would "do something" - can you clarify how many times in your adult life you have physically intervened when you have seen a crime committed, where it isn't a crime against the person and it also isn't directly connected to you?

[Brummmie]

creampuff said:

julian64 said:

Not sure BB could stand another one of me. That would make two motorcyclists on the planet that don't countersteer, don't believe in mass motorcycling deafness, never put their knee down, and admit to hating wheelies.

You can't turn a two axle, two wheel vehicle (ie a motorbike) without counter steering. That's how they turn.

Agreed it's physics!

[CoolHands]

Alright we have to accept many people won't want to tackle the scrotes. In which case, AT LEAST DO A fkING DECENT JOB OF FILMING THEM YOU PRICKS!

At least do something useful.

[Dr Doofenshmirtz]

At the end of the day...has anyone here actually witnessed a robbery taking place?
I'd wager almost nobody, so the whole discussion is somewhat moot.

[Magog]

Dr Doofenshmirtz said:

At the end of the day...has anyone here actually witnessed a robbery taking place?
I'd wager almost nobody, so the whole discussion is somewhat moot.

About a decade ago I saw a couple of guys on a backstreet in central London bundling a scooter into the back of a luton type van, the alarm was going off, but it is the sort of event where it takes you a few seconds to work out what is going on. I'm sure my first thought that it was someone and their friends recovering their broken down scooter. As I remember I managed to get the registration number and phoned the police right away, and I'd thought about jumping in my car and trying to follow, but by then the van had gone and I'm sure by the time I'd adequately communicated to the 999 operator what had happened I'm sure they were the best part of half a mile away.

The guys were nowhere near as intimidating as the ones in that video, my memory is that the one that looked like the ring leader looked like a character played by the actor Phil Davis, but I wouldn't have dreamt of intervening. So sadly it was all over before I even though to try and engage my inner Liam Neeson or similar.

[blade7]

Gavia said:

And chances are that you'd have lost.

Anthony Crolla springs to mind here. A world class (and former world champion) boxer, few would stand a chance one on one with him, even though he fights at lightweight. He decided to take on two burglars and ended with a severe head injury and a broken ankle. These scrotes won't stand there and met you attack them, nor will they let you beat their mate up, before starting on you one at a time.

Maybe, but the big nasty GSD I had then would have taken lumps out of them while I was hitting some home runs.

[Gavia]

blade7 said:

Maybe, but the big nasty GSD I had then would have taken lumps out of them while I was hitting some home runs.

I can't take you seriously.

[blade7]

Gavia said:

I can't take you seriously.

[Gavia]

blade7 said:

You do, you need to be seen as a big hard man, when in reality you're not. You're just a normal Joe Public.

[Wedg1e]

Gusto said:

Why cannot bikes be fitted with an electronic handbrake style system that would not release if the wires were cut?

Anything to disable the bike from free-wheeling is the only natural defense against these type of thefts. Once they are lifted into a van you have another problem, but most thefts seem to be wheeled away after cutting lock/disc.

Any locking of the brake would have to be done within the caliper which would add weight and bulk. Probably not an issue for those of us who ride Scanias but the sportsbike lads would be weeping buckets.

I guess on a shaft-drive bike you could fit an ECU-controlled transmission lock but the potential for carnage if Italian electrics were involved doesn't bear thinking about

The only other engineered solution that springs to mind would be a rear wheel lock incorporated into the swingarm such that the amount of damage you'd have to inflict with your B&Q grinder to get the lock off would render the bike unrideable anyway... and again: weight, bulk, image...

What we need is for all bikes to be styled like CZs and Tomos mopeds

[gavgavgav]

Wedg1e said:

Any locking of the brake would have to be done within the caliper which would add weight and bulk. Probably not an issue for those of us who ride Scanias but the sportsbike lads would be weeping buckets.

I guess on a shaft-drive bike you could fit an ECU-controlled transmission lock but the potential for carnage if Italian electrics were involved doesn't bear thinking about

The only other engineered solution that springs to mind would be a rear wheel lock incorporated into the swingarm such that the amount of damage you'd have to inflict with your B&Q grinder to get the lock off would render the bike unrideable anyway... and again: weight, bulk, image...

What we need is for all bikes to be styled like CZs and Tomos mopeds

Someone needs to invent removable handle grips, impossible to steer or manoeuvre without picking the bike up directly.

[Wedg1e]

gavgavgav said:

Someone needs to invent removable handle grips, impossible to steer or manoeuvre without picking the bike up directly.

You could be onto something there... like Mr. Bean's steering wheel

To be fair, steering head locks made of something other than bloody brass would have been a good idea for the last 40 years

[Dog Star]

I'm so worried about this mode of theft making the jump from London that I'm trying to think of a way of defeating the battery powered angle grinder mob.

Obviously a conventional disclock or chain and padlock - even the 19mm monsters (which are too heavy to carry anyway) are useless. I was thinking of some sort of system where a thick bar (doesn't have to be round) passes through the slots on both sides of the discs and is locked in the middle. It needs to be inaccessible to the angle grinder disc.

[Fleegle]

Dog Star said:

I'm so worried about this mode of theft making the jump from London that I'm trying to think of a way of defeating the battery powered angle grinder mob.

Obviously a conventional disclock or chain and padlock - even the 19mm monsters (which are too heavy to carry anyway) are useless. I was thinking of some sort of system where a thick bar (doesn't have to be round) passes through the slots on both sides of the discs and is locked in the middle. It needs to be inaccessible to the angle grinder disc.

Keep it simple. More than one disc lock

[Dr Doofenshmirtz]

Locks are a minor inconvenience to Mr Scum however many you fit or where you fit them.

I recon a good (albeit very inconvenient) solution would be to remove the front wheel spindle, you could slide in a thin plastic spindle behind just to keep the wheel attached.
Mr Scum wheels the bike away thinking 'that was easy', but soon after the thin plastic spindle gives way, the bike becomes uncontrolable and the pilot wobbles off under the wheels of a bus.

The bike may sustain some damage, but hopefully it had a soft landing on My Scums leg so it may not be too bad.

[BobSaunders]

Dr Doofenshmirtz said:

Locks are a minor inconvenience to Mr Scum however many you fit or where you fit them.

I recon a good (albeit very inconvenient) solution would be to remove the front wheel spindle, you could slide in a thin plastic spindle behind just to keep the wheel attached.
Mr Scum wheels the bike away thinking 'that was easy', but soon after the thin plastic spindle gives way, the bike becomes uncontrolable and the pilot wobbles off under the wheels of a bus.

The bike may sustain some damage, but hopefully it had a soft landing on My Scums leg so it may not be too bad.

And when it plows into a pedestrian?

It may be considered a trap by CPS - whereby they will pursue you.

Or bike not in a mechanical fit state.