Summons for "without due care and attention"

[Fleegle]

[xjay1337]

creampuff said:

The Moose said:

Can we see?!

I agree. Youtube it.

Yeah could you maybe share the link? If you make it unlisted then it won't show up in Youtube searches.

[silentbrown]

3nduro said:

any advice on legal beagles that I could have a chat to ?

Speak to AGTLaw. He's very active in SP&L.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/profile.asp?h=0...

Oh, and I'd do this before you start posting youtube links...

Edited by silentbrown on Wednesday 22 March 09:19

[moanthebairns]

Surely if they have given you the opportunity to plead guilty by post, the likelihood is 3 points and a £100 fine, it just becomes an administrative exercise really.

"guilty, right, no court case, great, give him the points, next".

If you show up, trying to justify riding on the pavement with pedestrians, a mother and her Mclaren pram present whilst you ride almost half a football pitch your fked.

Maybe there is a loop hole, or the lawyer could argue how your very, very sorry and it will never happen again....The judge who has likely sat through hours of wee fannies before you wont really care too much about dishing out a few penalty points. If anything, maybe more as you are wasting his time.

Don't get me wrong you can do yourself a huge favour showing up, dressed smart and showing respect, that alone lessens any sentence. But when you offset it with legal costs, day off work and the fking hassle, id take the post option everyday.

If you go to court a big factor will be the luck of the draw. Have you ever been to court, stood there at the other end of a judge? Some don't fk about and are "bds" others are "sound" to quote a few sweating junkies coming down whilst awaiting in the court cells once the judge for the day was announce through the dinner slot in the door. These guys knew if they were going home or to jail that day due to the judge, you wont know till your there.

[3nduro]

Fleegle said:

T you are a sweetie .... .are you re-using all the old posts that were sent to you when you were facing porridge at your summons :-)

[Fleegle]

3nduro said:

Fleegle said:

T you are a sweetie .... .are you re-using all the old posts that were sent to you when you were facing porridge at your summons :-)

Remember to take a toothbrush with you

[3nduro]

silentbrown said:

Speak to AGTLaw. He's very active in SP&L.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/profile.asp?h=0...

Oh, and I'd do this before you start posting youtube links...

Edited by silentbrown on Wednesday 22 March 09:19

Chatting to him today ... also when I read through the pack in the "key evidence" bit there is this random line "the defendant undertook a police car , which was travelling at the speed limit of 50 mph and travelling in lane 3 of 3" ..

now the whole area is a 30 limit so that line is not evidenced and 100% wrong.

Edited by 3nduro on Wednesday 22 March 10:23

[Fleegle]

How have they been able to establish speeds?

Are they taking the fkwit cyclists word as gospel?

[mgv8]

I don't get this:
The rider does something wrong, and admits it.
Cyclist calls him on it.
Some of you say the Cyclists is in the wrong? But if it was a cop that would be OK?

I do sometimes do something wrong, if you catch me then that is on me. I would not cry like a girl and blame the 3rd party.

(note the original poster is NOT doing this)

[moanthebairns]

No one likes a grass.

[3nduro]

mgv8 said:

I don't get this:
The rider does something wrong, and admits it.
Cyclist calls him on it.
Some of you say the Cyclists is in the wrong? But if it was a cop that would be OK?

I do sometimes do something wrong, if you catch me then that is on me. I would not cry like a girl and blame the 3rd party.

(note the original poster is NOT doing this)

I guess my point is that historically I had to look out for old bill, yellow cameras, traffic cameras etc .....with the advent of dashcamera's and helmet cameras anyone anywhere can potentially shop us so you are always under threat of moderation in this world. That is my lesson. It doesn't mean I will start using my helmet camera evidence against car drivers with mobiles ... especially when I can take the train cos its potentially less hassle than all this guff.

[55palfers]

If only your face had been caught on CCTV nicking tools out of the back of a van you'd have been OK.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4334682/Te...

[dc2rr07]

55palfers said:

If only your face had been caught on CCTV nicking tools out of the back of a van you'd have been OK.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4334682/Te...

Unbelievable, good quality cctv as well cannot believe the case was closed.

[The Mad Monk]

moanthebairns said:

No one likes a grass.

Don't be so silly.

If a neighbour was interfering with children, you wouldn't call the police?

Don't be so silly.

[moanthebairns]

The Mad Monk said:

moanthebairns said:

No one likes a grass.

Don't be so silly.

If a neighbour was interfering with children, you wouldn't call the police?

Don't be so silly.

woah, hold the fking phone.... completely different....you cant just come away with such a brash statement.

how hot are the kids?

[PistonBroker]

essayer said:

I'm not sure "I was late for work" is ever a good thing to use as a mitigating circumstance

Lol! Reminds me of my first ever offence - a TS50 in the early noughties for driving along a bus lane in my 205.

The Magistrates asked if I had anything to say for myself and I said 'if I'd known it would cause this much bother, I wouldn't have done it'.

What an arrogant idiot!!!!

[3nduro]

3nduro said:

Chatting to him today ... also when I read through the pack in the "key evidence" bit there is this random line "the defendant undertook a police car , which was travelling at the speed limit of 50 mph and travelling in lane 3 of 3" ..

now the whole area is a 30 limit so that line is not evidenced and 100% wrong.

Edited by 3nduro on Wednesday 22 March 10:23

spoke to these people whitedalton/motordefence .. they do £60 for 20mins on the phone ... but then pleading guilty at court is £750 + vat fixed fee ...not guilty is £160 per hour + vat and a chunk of hours ....

[moanthebairns]

3nduro said:

3nduro said:

Chatting to him today ... also when I read through the pack in the "key evidence" bit there is this random line "the defendant undertook a police car , which was travelling at the speed limit of 50 mph and travelling in lane 3 of 3" ..

now the whole area is a 30 limit so that line is not evidenced and 100% wrong.

Edited by 3nduro on Wednesday 22 March 10:23

spoke to these people whitedalton/motordefence .. they do £60 for 20mins on the phone ... but then pleading guilty at court is £750 + vat fixed fee ...not guilty is £160 per hour + vat and a chunk of hours ....

Do you have a few points or do you need a clean licence?

[julian64]

Hmmmmm.

Your/cyclists video should fairly easily show you weren't doing 50mph on the pavement in a 30mph speed limit next to a woman pushing a pram.

Cos if you were I'm joining the lynch mob.

[xjay1337]

moanthebairns said:

The Mad Monk said:

moanthebairns said:

No one likes a grass.

Don't be so silly.

If a neighbour was interfering with children, you wouldn't call the police?

Don't be so silly.

woah, hold the fking phone.... completely different....you cant just come away with such a brash statement.

how hot are the kids?

Classic strawman.