Summons for "without due care and attention"

Summons for "without due care and attention"

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Moaningroadie

264 posts

191 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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moanthebairns said:
how hot are the kids?
I know I shouldn't have but I did laugh a lot

Wedg1e

26,760 posts

264 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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PistonBroker said:
The Magistrates asked if I had anything to say for myself and I said 'if I'd known it would cause this much bother, I wouldn't have done it'.
As an ice-breaker to a girlfriend's mother the first time I was introduced (in my gormless teens, obviously)...
"Your daughter thinks I have wandering hands".

No, I didn't get my leg over.

3nduro

Original Poster:

183 posts

97 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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moanthebairns said:
Do you have a few points or do you need a clean licence?
clean licence currently ... not bothered about a few points as most of my energetic riding is done off road or on track so driving/riding on road is commuting or driving a van about.

TT Tim

4,162 posts

246 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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3nduro said:
moanthebairns said:
Do you have a few points or do you need a clean licence?
clean licence currently ... not bothered about a few points as most of my energetic riding is done off road or on track so driving/riding on road is commuting or driving a van about.
On the pavement so it seems.

If you were on the pavement for '25m-40m' then plead guilty and take what's coming to you. I'm guessing it's not the first time you've done this, but it is the first time you've been caught.

leighz

407 posts

131 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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...let he who is without sin cast the first stone....

and all that ste

Prof Prolapse

16,160 posts

189 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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leighz said:
...let he who is without sin cast the first stone....

and all that ste
Especially when the guy is clearly not a dick and even says "[I]should have known better", in his opening post.


moanthebairns

17,918 posts

197 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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The bottom line is we have all done stupid things whilst on bikes and in cars and will continue to, we only really regret reflect when caught.

I can understand why the OP is pissed off. The Batman of the two wheeled self propelled world has grassed him up for a minor motoring infraction, he has went to the effort of cycling to the plod shop where the brave boys in blue are now going after him as he is easy picking.

However, If it was me i'd swallow my pride, not waste the courts time/money and most importantly my own. Plead guilty at the first opportunity as the cards are stacked against me, get a lesser punishment for doing so and move on. This is not a life changing criminal offence where you have been wrongfully accused this is a minor traffic violation where you are guilty.


mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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moanthebairns said:
The Mad Monk said:
moanthebairns said:
No one likes a grass.
Don't be so silly.

If a neighbour was interfering with children, you wouldn't call the police?

Don't be so silly.
woah, hold the fking phone.... completely different....you cant just come away with such a brash statement.

how hot are the kids?
A mad monk would know the answer to that.

998420

900 posts

150 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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Go to court and simply demand for the whole tape to be shown. Specifically demand that the cyclist is equally prosecuted for their traffic offences during their journey.... As "obviously" he is a Saint who never does anything wrong.

Gavia

7,627 posts

90 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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998420 said:
Go to court and simply demand for the whole tape to be shown. Specifically demand that the cyclist is equally prosecuted for their traffic offences during their journey.... As "obviously" he is a Saint who never does anything wrong.
Court doesn't work like that. He's been charged with an offence, if the tape shows that then he's guilty.

3nduro

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183 posts

97 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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Gavia said:
Court doesn't work like that. He's been charged with an offence, if the tape shows that then he's guilty.
The tape shows me guilty to happy to plead that ...BUT in the middle of the key evidence bit there is a big fat error.

“The defendant undertook a police car, which was travelling at the speed limit of 50mph and travelling in lane 3 of 3”

That statement is total rubbish as a) there isnt 3 lanes b) there is no evidence of the police car and c) the whole of inner london is a max 30 limit so the 50mph bit is nonsense.

I think the key evidence has some random line in it from another case tbh ...

So I want to please "guilty BUT" ....the court needs to know that is wrong whilst I admit to the main headline

road_rager

1,091 posts

198 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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Hardly crime of the century, what a waste of court time :-(

3nduro

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183 posts

97 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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road_rager said:
Hardly crime of the century, what a waste of court time :-(
totally agree .. and happy to plead guilty by post ... but the 50mph sentance sticks in the throat .. and terrified that the magistrate would read that as gospel if unchallenged.

Gavia

7,627 posts

90 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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3nduro said:
The tape shows me guilty to happy to plead that ...BUT in the middle of the key evidence bit there is a big fat error.

“The defendant undertook a police car, which was travelling at the speed limit of 50mph and travelling in lane 3 of 3”

That statement is total rubbish as a) there isnt 3 lanes b) there is no evidence of the police car and c) the whole of inner london is a max 30 limit so the 50mph bit is nonsense.

I think the key evidence has some random line in it from another case tbh ...

So I want to please "guilty BUT" ....the court needs to know that is wrong whilst I admit to the main headline
That doesn't matter. The chenprosecution will ask for that to be removed and the court will oblige. It's like people thinking they can get off a speeding offence because the registration number is wrong, or the model. It won't change anything for you.

By all means point it out in your grovelling apology letter, it don't expec tit to make any difference. If you go to court in person, then you are risking a much higher penalty. That is the advice given by every motoring solicitor in all cases. Unless compelled to go to court you shouldn't.

3nduro

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183 posts

97 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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so you think ring them now ... and get them to remove that from the key evidence .. to allow me to plead guilty by post with more ease.

keen to avoid court (wasting time and money etc etc)

moanthebairns

17,918 posts

197 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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3nduro said:
Gavia said:
Court doesn't work like that. He's been charged with an offence, if the tape shows that then he's guilty.
The tape shows me guilty to happy to plead that ...BUT in the middle of the key evidence bit there is a big fat error.

“The defendant undertook a police car, which was travelling at the speed limit of 50mph and travelling in lane 3 of 3”

That statement is total rubbish as a) there isnt 3 lanes b) there is no evidence of the police car and c) the whole of inner london is a max 30 limit so the 50mph bit is nonsense.

I think the key evidence has some random line in it from another case tbh ...

So I want to please "guilty BUT" ....the court needs to know that is wrong whilst I admit to the main headline
This is new, you hadn't mentioned that before. You said it was just a case of getting caught riding on pavement.

You need to now get a solicitor, he will easily get this removed if it isn't part of the charge or will tell you how to play it.

Gavia

7,627 posts

90 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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3nduro said:
so you think ring them now ... and get them to remove that from the key evidence .. to allow me to plead guilty by post with more ease.

keen to avoid court (wasting time and money etc etc)
Just plead guilty by post, pointing out that the sentence about the lanes is incorrect and should be disregarded. If anything the court will be more lenient for you pointing it out courteously rather than thinking you've got an ace up your sleeve and wasting their time.

3nduro

Original Poster:

183 posts

97 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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moanthebairns said:
This is new, you hadn't mentioned that before. You said it was just a case of getting caught riding on pavement.

You need to now get a solicitor, he will easily get this removed if it isn't part of the charge or will tell you how to play it.
Well it was only when I looked through the whole pack I read this bit (see attachment)

kiethton

13,883 posts

179 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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Was the NIP received within the 14 days of the incident?

Beyond that can the date and time be proved without your admission?

Gavia

7,627 posts

90 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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3nduro said:
Well it was only when I looked through the whole pack I read this bit (see attachment)
You won't win. The court will allow the witness to alter their state,met due a clerical error and the rest is true and evidenced on the video. You will just end up with a much harsher penalty.