Summons for "without due care and attention"
Discussion
Pothole said:
I once got a telling off for something similar, although I was also going the wrong way up a one way street and almost ran over plod coming out of a sandwich shop.
I was a courier, it was the 80s and I had been round the block twice before losing my rag and transgressing. The parcel was a bit late arriving but I only got a 20 minute b
king!
On the matter of a one way street wrong way, I did that when Sheffield supertram was being built and the combination of no right / left turns, buses only, no entry and how's your father total Horlicks made it physically impossible to legally get to a shop to pick up a heavy item of furniture. Lost my rag and decided the safest way was to go through a bus gate and then go the wrong way up 15 yards of a one way.I was a courier, it was the 80s and I had been round the block twice before losing my rag and transgressing. The parcel was a bit late arriving but I only got a 20 minute b
king!Turned out the rozzers had had to do exactly the same when his alarm had gone off a few nights earlier.
No doubt today with bleeding cameras and self righteous hypocritical helmet w
kers I'd have been in HMP Wakefield in short order. Wakefield nick, walls are so high even the sparrows can't get over them.FiF said:
Pothole said:
I once got a telling off for something similar, although I was also going the wrong way up a one way street and almost ran over plod coming out of a sandwich shop.
I was a courier, it was the 80s and I had been round the block twice before losing my rag and transgressing. The parcel was a bit late arriving but I only got a 20 minute bking!
On the matter of a one way street wrong way, I did that when Sheffield supertram was being built and the combination of no right / left turns, buses only, no entry and how's your father total Horlicks made it physically impossible to legally get to a shop to pick up a heavy item of furniture. Lost my rag and decided the safest way was to go through a bus gate and then go the wrong way up 15 yards of a one way.I was a courier, it was the 80s and I had been round the block twice before losing my rag and transgressing. The parcel was a bit late arriving but I only got a 20 minute b
king!Turned out the rozzers had had to do exactly the same when his alarm had gone off a few nights earlier.
No doubt today with bleeding cameras and self righteous hypocritical helmet w
kers I'd have been in HMP Wakefield in short order. Wakefield nick, walls are so high even the sparrows can't get over them.2wheelsjimmy said:
It's actually not always illegal for pedals cycles to be on pedestrian footpath. The issue is, roads are built for cars, and car drivers are not always very kind to cyclists. A lot of people who ride bicycles, are rightly frightened to be on the road with huge metal objects, who's drivers often think they've eternal right of way. Imagine trying to take your young child on the road, on their bicycle.
In quite a few European counties, pedal cycles and pedestrians are quite happily able to share space, and safely.
Pedal cycles should be on a bicycle path, but we don't seem to build the in this country, and the one's we do build are pretty poor. So cycles get forced onto the road, with fast moving big metal cars.
But that's another long winded issue.
Agree. There's a section on my commute circa 300m's long. It's almost suicidal at rush hour for cyclists so thankfully the council have added in cycle markings on the narrow path. The road is so busy that the path is permanently covered in dust/sand and road debris. In quite a few European counties, pedal cycles and pedestrians are quite happily able to share space, and safely.
Pedal cycles should be on a bicycle path, but we don't seem to build the in this country, and the one's we do build are pretty poor. So cycles get forced onto the road, with fast moving big metal cars.
But that's another long winded issue.
Edited by 2wheelsjimmy on Wednesday 3rd May 09:23
OP you made a mistake. Instead of calling a cyclist a Nazi why don't you learn from it? Max punishment - I'm guessing with a queue of cars it's peak time during the day. Possibly in a built up area.
Just saw this thread and thought i would clarify certain things like:
1. The summary of evidence (the MG5) is prepared by the officer appointed to deal with the case and has nothing to do with the witness. They are not always accurate.
2. Technically, only what is in a statement is actually "evidence". If any of the facts on the MG5 are disputed, you should ask to see the statements.
3. For anyone thinking they would like to inconvenience the man who took the footage and seek a trial, it is extremely unlikely that a court would permit you to do so where all he does is produce the footage - Criminal Procedure Rules apply and you have to have a reason to make a witness attend.
4. Police have authority to charge due care but CPS have to provide charging advice for dangerous driving. In many cases, Police will charge the lesser offence to obviate the need for CPS charging advice (CPS can still increase the charge if it goes to court).
5. If you take a case to court, a G plea will net you £85 costs and a victim surcharge payment and an actual trial, if convicted, will cost you over £600 costs and the victim surcharge.
1. The summary of evidence (the MG5) is prepared by the officer appointed to deal with the case and has nothing to do with the witness. They are not always accurate.
2. Technically, only what is in a statement is actually "evidence". If any of the facts on the MG5 are disputed, you should ask to see the statements.
3. For anyone thinking they would like to inconvenience the man who took the footage and seek a trial, it is extremely unlikely that a court would permit you to do so where all he does is produce the footage - Criminal Procedure Rules apply and you have to have a reason to make a witness attend.
4. Police have authority to charge due care but CPS have to provide charging advice for dangerous driving. In many cases, Police will charge the lesser offence to obviate the need for CPS charging advice (CPS can still increase the charge if it goes to court).
5. If you take a case to court, a G plea will net you £85 costs and a victim surcharge payment and an actual trial, if convicted, will cost you over £600 costs and the victim surcharge.
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