Summons for "without due care and attention"
Discussion
3nduro said:
Yeah going to have to reign/rain those right in now when this DCA sticks ....ah well that is what enduro is for I suppose ...but I thought a nice controlled wheelie was actually public spirited and raised a cheer from many a waiting van at the humpback bridge on the way to mitcham :-)
rein! 
3nduro said:
Fleegle said:
You can't full air on that?
air jumps are only suitable for tabletops (i.e speed tables) at my age and on my bike ... but the humpback bridge is perfect to have the front pawing the air ...and you get a good view of any possible babylonr1flyguy1 said:
Road
A road has been held in the case of Worth v Brooks [1959] Crim LR 885 include pavements and boundary grass verges.
Just saying like
Honestly your honour, I was just riding to the description of the legal definition and using extra attention so as not to have a collision
May be worth going for not guilty then?A road has been held in the case of Worth v Brooks [1959] Crim LR 885 include pavements and boundary grass verges.
Just saying like
Honestly your honour, I was just riding to the description of the legal definition and using extra attention so as not to have a collision
In this case would it be suitablbe to "blame the cyclist"?
You can be sent off for without due care. The guy who did his best to kill me in 2009 got a 4 month ban for WDC. I don't think that he had previous. He swore blind black was white, then pleaded guilty on the steps. The beak did him for WDC, issued the ban and then summoned him again so he could give him a b*llocking and read him his sentence.
moanthebairns said:
I assume you have requested the footage that has been submitted as evidence for the case of HRH v you, to judge just how bad this is in reflection. It could be that he only has a smidgen of it. What happens might not be whats on tape.
Yeah I have the whole thing on video from the perspective of the cyclist. It shows me clearly riding past him (on the pavement) for about 25m-40m ..... then you see the woman with the pram walk by him looking chilled like she sees stuff like that everyday. ..she does live 4 mins from elephant & castle tho !3nduro said:
moanthebairns said:
I assume you have requested the footage that has been submitted as evidence for the case of HRH v you, to judge just how bad this is in reflection. It could be that he only has a smidgen of it. What happens might not be whats on tape.
Yeah I have the whole thing on video from the perspective of the cyclist. It shows me clearly riding past him (on the pavement) for about 25m-40m ..... then you see the woman with the pram walk by him looking chilled like she sees stuff like that everyday. ..she does live 4 mins from elephant & castle tho !
ked, plead guilty at the earliest opportunity.3nduro said:
moanthebairns said:
I assume you have requested the footage that has been submitted as evidence for the case of HRH v you, to judge just how bad this is in reflection. It could be that he only has a smidgen of it. What happens might not be whats on tape.
Yeah I have the whole thing on video from the perspective of the cyclist. It shows me clearly riding past him (on the pavement) for about 25m-40m ..... then you see the woman with the pram walk by him looking chilled like she sees stuff like that everyday. ..she does live 4 mins from elephant & castle tho !3nduro said:
My fault for doing trials and thinking nothing of tickling along a narrow kerb and use a bit of pavement ..most of us on here that it wasnt a sensible move but wasnt dangerous per se
My fear is its just that the magistrate will probably never have any idea of the low speed control we ACTUALLY have .... all they see is PRAM vs MOTORBIKE ....
Aye, it's like overtaking on solid white lines: just because you can doesn't mean you should. I've seen bikes tear past a line of cars on the wrong side of double-whites; no doubt the rider is paying full attention to the vanishing point and ready for anything to appear but all it takes is for one of those cars to be an unmarked Ossifer and, even if you (are daft enough to) outrun it and hide, you're paddling up crap canyon listening to the sound of banjos.My fear is its just that the magistrate will probably never have any idea of the low speed control we ACTUALLY have .... all they see is PRAM vs MOTORBIKE ....
id be tempted to lawyer up and go to trial and see if the cyclist feels so civic minded when put under your lawyer or if he folds and doesn't turn up.
Sensible hat on says lawyer up check all your dates nip etc for s loophole then guilty plea lawyer to please and mitigate and take your lumps
Sensible hat on says lawyer up check all your dates nip etc for s loophole then guilty plea lawyer to please and mitigate and take your lumps
3nduro said:
Yeah I have the whole thing on video from the perspective of the cyclist. It shows me clearly riding past him (on the pavement) for about 25m-40m ..... then you see the woman with the pram walk by him looking chilled like she sees stuff like that everyday. ..she does live 4 mins from elephant & castle tho !
I'm sorry but riding on the pavement for 25m to 40m, regardless how in control you felt you were, shows a distinct lack of care in my book. Had it been a 3m stretch to get passed a single vehicle that had been there for some time, then I would have had a degree of sympathy but over 25m shows a total disregard for the law The old "if you can't do the time then don't do the crime" statement comes to mind.Plead guilty (because you clearly are) by post and take the punishment.
It depends what you want to do I suppose?
Do you want to do some point scoring, or get away as cheaply as possible?
Do you want to do some point scoring, or get away as cheaply as possible?
Gavia said:
Send in a mitigation statement and a grovelling apology by post and keep your fingers crossed.
If you want to get away with the lowest and cheapest penalty then what this bloke says ^^^^.Glasgowrob said:
id be tempted to lawyer up and go to trial and see if the cyclist feels so civic minded when put under your lawyer or if he folds and doesn't turn up.
Sensible hat on says lawyer up check all your dates nip etc for s loophole then guilty plea lawyer to please and mitigate and take your lumps
any advice on legal beagles that I could have a chat to ?Sensible hat on says lawyer up check all your dates nip etc for s loophole then guilty plea lawyer to please and mitigate and take your lumps
will give these folks a ring ...
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