Summons for "without due care and attention"
Discussion
PistonBroker said:
The Magistrates asked if I had anything to say for myself and I said 'if I'd known it would cause this much bother, I wouldn't have done it'.
As an ice-breaker to a girlfriend's mother the first time I was introduced (in my gormless teens, obviously)..."Your daughter thinks I have wandering hands".
No, I didn't get my leg over.
3nduro said:
moanthebairns said:
Do you have a few points or do you need a clean licence?
clean licence currently ... not bothered about a few points as most of my energetic riding is done off road or on track so driving/riding on road is commuting or driving a van about.If you were on the pavement for '25m-40m' then plead guilty and take what's coming to you. I'm guessing it's not the first time you've done this, but it is the first time you've been caught.
The bottom line is we have all done stupid things whilst on bikes and in cars and will continue to, we only really regret reflect when caught.
I can understand why the OP is pissed off. The Batman of the two wheeled self propelled world has grassed him up for a minor motoring infraction, he has went to the effort of cycling to the plod shop where the brave boys in blue are now going after him as he is easy picking.
However, If it was me i'd swallow my pride, not waste the courts time/money and most importantly my own. Plead guilty at the first opportunity as the cards are stacked against me, get a lesser punishment for doing so and move on. This is not a life changing criminal offence where you have been wrongfully accused this is a minor traffic violation where you are guilty.
I can understand why the OP is pissed off. The Batman of the two wheeled self propelled world has grassed him up for a minor motoring infraction, he has went to the effort of cycling to the plod shop where the brave boys in blue are now going after him as he is easy picking.
However, If it was me i'd swallow my pride, not waste the courts time/money and most importantly my own. Plead guilty at the first opportunity as the cards are stacked against me, get a lesser punishment for doing so and move on. This is not a life changing criminal offence where you have been wrongfully accused this is a minor traffic violation where you are guilty.
moanthebairns said:
The Mad Monk said:
moanthebairns said:
No one likes a grass.
Don't be so silly.If a neighbour was interfering with children, you wouldn't call the police?
Don't be so silly.
how hot are the kids?
998420 said:
Go to court and simply demand for the whole tape to be shown. Specifically demand that the cyclist is equally prosecuted for their traffic offences during their journey.... As "obviously" he is a Saint who never does anything wrong.
Court doesn't work like that. He's been charged with an offence, if the tape shows that then he's guilty.Gavia said:
Court doesn't work like that. He's been charged with an offence, if the tape shows that then he's guilty.
The tape shows me guilty to happy to plead that ...BUT in the middle of the key evidence bit there is a big fat error.“The defendant undertook a police car, which was travelling at the speed limit of 50mph and travelling in lane 3 of 3”
That statement is total rubbish as a) there isnt 3 lanes b) there is no evidence of the police car and c) the whole of inner london is a max 30 limit so the 50mph bit is nonsense.
I think the key evidence has some random line in it from another case tbh ...
So I want to please "guilty BUT" ....the court needs to know that is wrong whilst I admit to the main headline
3nduro said:
The tape shows me guilty to happy to plead that ...BUT in the middle of the key evidence bit there is a big fat error.
“The defendant undertook a police car, which was travelling at the speed limit of 50mph and travelling in lane 3 of 3”
That statement is total rubbish as a) there isnt 3 lanes b) there is no evidence of the police car and c) the whole of inner london is a max 30 limit so the 50mph bit is nonsense.
I think the key evidence has some random line in it from another case tbh ...
So I want to please "guilty BUT" ....the court needs to know that is wrong whilst I admit to the main headline
That doesn't matter. The chenprosecution will ask for that to be removed and the court will oblige. It's like people thinking they can get off a speeding offence because the registration number is wrong, or the model. It won't change anything for you. “The defendant undertook a police car, which was travelling at the speed limit of 50mph and travelling in lane 3 of 3”
That statement is total rubbish as a) there isnt 3 lanes b) there is no evidence of the police car and c) the whole of inner london is a max 30 limit so the 50mph bit is nonsense.
I think the key evidence has some random line in it from another case tbh ...
So I want to please "guilty BUT" ....the court needs to know that is wrong whilst I admit to the main headline
By all means point it out in your grovelling apology letter, it don't expec tit to make any difference. If you go to court in person, then you are risking a much higher penalty. That is the advice given by every motoring solicitor in all cases. Unless compelled to go to court you shouldn't.
3nduro said:
Gavia said:
Court doesn't work like that. He's been charged with an offence, if the tape shows that then he's guilty.
The tape shows me guilty to happy to plead that ...BUT in the middle of the key evidence bit there is a big fat error.“The defendant undertook a police car, which was travelling at the speed limit of 50mph and travelling in lane 3 of 3”
That statement is total rubbish as a) there isnt 3 lanes b) there is no evidence of the police car and c) the whole of inner london is a max 30 limit so the 50mph bit is nonsense.
I think the key evidence has some random line in it from another case tbh ...
So I want to please "guilty BUT" ....the court needs to know that is wrong whilst I admit to the main headline
You need to now get a solicitor, he will easily get this removed if it isn't part of the charge or will tell you how to play it.
3nduro said:
so you think ring them now ... and get them to remove that from the key evidence .. to allow me to plead guilty by post with more ease.
keen to avoid court (wasting time and money etc etc)
Just plead guilty by post, pointing out that the sentence about the lanes is incorrect and should be disregarded. If anything the court will be more lenient for you pointing it out courteously rather than thinking you've got an ace up your sleeve and wasting their time. keen to avoid court (wasting time and money etc etc)
moanthebairns said:
This is new, you hadn't mentioned that before. You said it was just a case of getting caught riding on pavement.
You need to now get a solicitor, he will easily get this removed if it isn't part of the charge or will tell you how to play it.
Well it was only when I looked through the whole pack I read this bit (see attachment) You need to now get a solicitor, he will easily get this removed if it isn't part of the charge or will tell you how to play it.
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