S1000rr or 848 evo
Discussion
sc0tt said:
Turns out yes but I am 6"4 and it looks like I could fit one in my pocket.
Looks can be deceiving - I'm the same height and the RSV4 was more comfortable than my S1000RR or Duc 1198 (similar ergo to the 848).For a 'special' bike, ridden infrequently and is always an occasion I wouldn't bother with either the S1000, RSV4 or 848 - I'd go back to an 1198 (stretch the budget a little and get the S).
They really are a joy to behold (if totally and absolutely useless at sitting at 70mph all day - they're meant to be hustled, that's when they make sense).
Whilst the S1000RR will trump the 848 in any measurable sense, the 848 would probably feel a bit more exotic to me. That said, I'd never expect a temperamental strop from the BMW, which might not be true of the Ducati. Speaking to my friends and friends of friends, who own even newer Ducatis, they seem to accept that their bikes may not just 'work' like a German or Japanese bike will.
If you want to add a little spice to the BMW mix, the S1000R with a few trick bits on looks very cool. Or perhaps a Ducati 999...
If you want to add a little spice to the BMW mix, the S1000R with a few trick bits on looks very cool. Or perhaps a Ducati 999...
rapide said:
3DP said:
You like to thrash an engine. You like to give it a bit from cold. You leave the bike sitting for long periods. You expect zero maintenance. An 848 will get on your tits.
I agree with some of this, except the engine thrashing. That's exactly why I love my 848. If you're thrashing a 200bhp S1000RR on the road you're dulusional or an idiot in my opinion. Even on trackdays 99% of the riders aren't getting close to a geniune thrashing, and the few that are should stop showing off and go racing 
Edit to add. I can't really thrash an 848 either, but you can at least go through a few gears; and just give it the lot here and there without being completely irresponsible
Edited by rapide on Sunday 26th March 21:40
3DP said:
But an 848 is eminantly thrashable on the road and easy to hammer, plus being a Ducati, a little less resilient to lack of mechanical sympathy - hence recommending an S1000RR. It'll take a thrashing easier, is harder to actually thrash for reasons you say, but again - there is difference between being able to fully use an S1000RR and being able to thrash something. Even on the roads, plenty of riders with little skill can do launches and rev out to limiter the engine in a straight line. I've ridden with Scott and he does like a bit of straight line blastage.
Can I be the first to congratulate you on your use of blastage, please? 5 stars, excellent value for money blastage, would blastage again.
obscene said:
S1000RR for me. Ridden the 848 and it left me underwhelmed compared to my 1098R.
Well, duh, really? I'm surprised! 
obscene said:
Assuming the S1000RR is an improved K5 (not rode the BMW), then it must be fairly decent.
In comparison, the S1000RR underwhelmed me relative to the 848. That's sensation, I'm sure the 1000 is faster when you can wring the revs out, but it's just a lot more upright, easy to live with, and fluffy/friendly, especially with all the computers looking after you. That probably makes it a better bike, but it just didn't demand my attention.Anyways, fairly clear where my money would go.. I'll shut up now
The first two or three rides on 2016 S1000RR were a blast:
It's very fast, it sounds powerful, the electronic suspension works great on the road (I had to brake suddenly and strongly going downhill and the nose did not dive, the rear did not lift), it's pretty comfortable (well, it IS a big bike). I like the looks of 2015-2016 model as well.
On the forth ride (and that was not in a straight line but on mountain hairpins) I was not excited anymore. I don't know why, but it just felt generic. I was very happy to be back on my Daytona 675, even though it felt like a 125cc after the powerful BMW.
Ducati 1299S was significantly more exciting, I would not buy it simply because imho it is PITA unless the roads are totally empty, really bendy, and you really push it. But what a character, really puts a wicked, crazy smile on your face. :-)
Did not ride 848, but I did not like 899 (preferred MV F3 800 to it after a back-to-back ride). Look-wise I like 848 because I like underseat exhausts.
But who am I to talk about these things, I ride GSXR1000 K6 and CBR954RR and I find them exciting. Hell, I even find my 2002 CBR600F4i exciting!
I much rather test ride the new GSXR1000R/Fireblade SP than the new S1000RR, in fact I will skip S1000RR altogether this year.
It's very fast, it sounds powerful, the electronic suspension works great on the road (I had to brake suddenly and strongly going downhill and the nose did not dive, the rear did not lift), it's pretty comfortable (well, it IS a big bike). I like the looks of 2015-2016 model as well.
On the forth ride (and that was not in a straight line but on mountain hairpins) I was not excited anymore. I don't know why, but it just felt generic. I was very happy to be back on my Daytona 675, even though it felt like a 125cc after the powerful BMW.
Ducati 1299S was significantly more exciting, I would not buy it simply because imho it is PITA unless the roads are totally empty, really bendy, and you really push it. But what a character, really puts a wicked, crazy smile on your face. :-)
Did not ride 848, but I did not like 899 (preferred MV F3 800 to it after a back-to-back ride). Look-wise I like 848 because I like underseat exhausts.
But who am I to talk about these things, I ride GSXR1000 K6 and CBR954RR and I find them exciting. Hell, I even find my 2002 CBR600F4i exciting!
I much rather test ride the new GSXR1000R/Fireblade SP than the new S1000RR, in fact I will skip S1000RR altogether this year.
rapide said:
3DP said:
But an 848 is eminantly thrashable on the road and easy to hammer
I love how 140bhp sportsbikes with a better power to weight ratio than a 999 are now just eminently thrashable to the riding gods I think my 2002 CBR600F, 109hp, 65nm, nominal, at 12500rpm, is trashable. But at even 10k it is more than enough for any public winding road.
Mr OCD said:
Given a choice the Ducati ... but I'd take an MV over either for pose value which you seem to want?
I'd go for an 859 / 899 though over 848.
I rode 899 back-to-back with F3 800. I'd go for an 859 / 899 though over 848.
My choice would be F3 800.
It's just as good as 899 in corners, it sounds better (MV has THE best sound!), it looks at least as sexy as Ducati, and it is easier in traffic (mirrors suck, clutch is a bit funny, and instrumentation is somewhat old-school and crowded, but still it is friendlier in traffic!).
Ex 848 owner here. As a road bike I much preferred the 2011 onwards GSXR750 that I test rode just before selling the Ducati. Get one and put the change towards something else (after you replace the carbon pattern plastic with carbon). If you insist on a 848 don't believe the nonsense about cheap servicing as if you do decent miles you still have to have the valve clearances done as well as the belts.
I'd probably just get a 916 shape bike or even a 888 these days tho TBH!
I'd probably just get a 916 shape bike or even a 888 these days tho TBH!
rapide said:
trickywoo said:
makes more sense.
I've tried buying a bike because it makes more sense - it didn't last long dai1983 said:
If you insist on a 848 don't believe the nonsense about cheap servicing as if you do decent miles you still have to have the valve clearances done as well as the belts.
As a current 848 owner I don't think it's nonsense at all. Valves every 7500miles, belts every 15000 (or two years). If you insist on Ducati serving, some dealers are still willing to take their customers eyes out. But many are not, Ducati Glasgow and Preston for example both quoted me £500 max for a valve and belt service. As it is I went to my trusted local guy who did vales and belts for £350. A little more than a Honda maybe, but not by much. The 2007+ Ducati's are not hard bikes to work on, it's unfortunate that some of the specialists seem to set their pricing on what they can get away with, based on a tired perception of a complex premium brand. To be fair some of the precious Ducati owners don't help the situation swallowing this BS.Second that - mine went to pro twins in godstone for belts, wasn't memorably expensive - IIRC about 350 quid plus a few bits that needed sorting at service.
rapide said:
I love how 140bhp sportsbikes with a better power to weight ratio than a 999 are now just eminently thrashable to the riding gods
'tis nonsense IMHO. However, for me the difference was that the 848 engine was at it's best in a rev range I could use on the road (especially after dropping a tooth on the front sprocket), however the 1000RR just came into its fun band just beyond the legal limt.. in first! Ok, I may exaggerate slightly (perhaps not), but while it is undoubtedly ballistic in raw figures, I reckon the 848 had more everyday *useable* power.BobSaunders said:
Sensible = S1000RR
Exotic and unique = Ducati
Everything exotic and unique requires maintenance and work. Everything sensible you marry. But you still long for that exotic and unique g/f with rose tinted glasses.
Unique and exotic is in the eye of the beholder.Exotic and unique = Ducati
Everything exotic and unique requires maintenance and work. Everything sensible you marry. But you still long for that exotic and unique g/f with rose tinted glasses.
If you mean b
hy and demanding, well, I've had my share and I do not long for any relationship with that kind. Test ride the "exotic" and "unique" and go back to the reliable, comfortable and fun-in-a-different-way one.
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