BSB 2024 Grids

[graeme4130]

Rob 131 Sport said:

I see Rory Skinner has been dropped for next season by his current Moto 2 Team. I wonder if we’ll see him back in BSB.

Did he ever win a Superbike Race.

Nope, 2x 2nds and 3x 3rds
Not sure he'll come back to BSB though, but who knows

[Tam_Mullen]

American Racings face saver statement said theyre trying to seal Rorys future at world level, but highly doubt it will be in the GP paddock.

I don't see them having enough clout or working closely with anyone that can provide anything in the WSBK paddock, its a real shame for the guy but I'm not sure where he goes from here.

[Zarco]

Tam_Mullen said:

slopes said:

Also, Honda running Jack Kennedy in Supersport next season

They must have told Jack some good stuff about the incoming 600RR, thats some signing. He just looks so much better on a supersport.

Lee Johnston is intending on coming back to Supersport next season too, he announced it in his youtube videos. They have sold their R6s and he says he is in discussion with a manufacturer about bikes. I assumed at the time that was Hondas.

Thing is with Jack he is that good he doesn't need the best bike to win. Remember when he rode the 636 ZX6R vs other riders on R6. R6 was top bike and 600 ZX6R on a par.

[slopes]

Tam_Mullen said:

American Racings face saver statement said theyre trying to seal Rorys future at world level, but highly doubt it will be in the GP paddock.

I don't see them having enough clout or working closely with anyone that can provide anything in the WSBK paddock, its a real shame for the guy but I'm not sure where he goes from here.

Best thing for him would be if they could get him a ride in WSSP, build his confidence back up again, then he can progress from there.

[graeme4130]

Zarco said:

Tam_Mullen said:

slopes said:

Also, Honda running Jack Kennedy in Supersport next season

They must have told Jack some good stuff about the incoming 600RR, thats some signing. He just looks so much better on a supersport.

Lee Johnston is intending on coming back to Supersport next season too, he announced it in his youtube videos. They have sold their R6s and he says he is in discussion with a manufacturer about bikes. I assumed at the time that was Hondas.

Thing is with Jack he is that good he doesn't need the best bike to win. Remember when he rode the 636 ZX6R vs other riders on R6. R6 was top bike and 600 ZX6R on a par.

The year Kennedy rode the ZX6R, it was very much the underdog compared to the R6, which, at the time, was definitely the bike to be on in BSB SSP
Kennedy rode the 636, which then had a really poor chassis compared to the old 600 ZX6R
Although saying that, Luke Stapleford rode a 636 this year and was leading a fair amount in the races he did (it had old style 600 fairings on it, but was Eugene McManus's bike from 2022)

For 2024, the rules for the 636 are changing, and it's now allowed to change the rear linkage length, which was the real weak point, as well as chassis changes to the headstock
Also, you can add twin injectors, a RBW throttle/Blipper (from Solo Eng) and the revs have increased. This will make the 636 a really strong bike in SSP, whereas the R6 is now getting left behind. Especially when you consider the competition is the Ducati V2 (which will be a very popular bike in 2024 for those with deep pockets) and the Triumph 765 (which is being allowed a shorter swing-arm next year, which is the weak point on that bike's chassis currently)
The GSXR750 is being pegged back electronically for 2024, as that bike was the anomaly of the 'Balancing' rules and was disproportionately fast for the class
Should be an interesting year with JK back, as he's undoubtably the king of that class, but it depends whether the CBR6 is actually any good or not

[Zarco]

graeme4130 said:

Zarco said:

Tam_Mullen said:

slopes said:

Also, Honda running Jack Kennedy in Supersport next season

They must have told Jack some good stuff about the incoming 600RR, thats some signing. He just looks so much better on a supersport.

Lee Johnston is intending on coming back to Supersport next season too, he announced it in his youtube videos. They have sold their R6s and he says he is in discussion with a manufacturer about bikes. I assumed at the time that was Hondas.

Thing is with Jack he is that good he doesn't need the best bike to win. Remember when he rode the 636 ZX6R vs other riders on R6. R6 was top bike and 600 ZX6R on a par.

The year Kennedy rode the ZX6R, it was very much the underdog compared to the R6, which, at the time, was definitely the bike to be on in BSB SSP
Kennedy rode the 636, which then had a really poor chassis compared to the old 600 ZX6R
Although saying that, Luke Stapleford rode a 636 this year and was leading a fair amount in the races he did (it had old style 600 fairings on it, but was Eugene McManus's bike from 2022)

For 2024, the rules for the 636 are changing, and it's now allowed to change the rear linkage length, which was the real weak point, as well as chassis changes to the headstock
Also, you can add twin injectors, a RBW throttle/Blipper (from Solo Eng) and the revs have increased. This will make the 636 a really strong bike in SSP, whereas the R6 is now getting left behind. Especially when you consider the competition is the Ducati V2 (which will be a very popular bike in 2024 for those with deep pockets) and the Triumph 765 (which is being allowed a shorter swing-arm next year, which is the weak point on that bike's chassis currently)
The GSXR750 is being pegged back electronically for 2024, as that bike was the anomaly of the 'Balancing' rules and was disproportionately fast for the class
Should be an interesting year with JK back, as he's undoubtably the king of that class, but it depends whether the CBR6 is actually any good or not

That's interesting. I've never realised Stapleford was on a 636 this year, and I'm a big fan of his so I was paying attention. I always thought he and TBA were on equal machinery.

Who'd of thought a GSXR750 would be disproportionately fast for the class?

It didn't strike me as having a big advantage tbh.

[graeme4130]

Zarco said:

graeme4130 said:

Zarco said:

Tam_Mullen said:

slopes said:

Also, Honda running Jack Kennedy in Supersport next season

They must have told Jack some good stuff about the incoming 600RR, thats some signing. He just looks so much better on a supersport.

Lee Johnston is intending on coming back to Supersport next season too, he announced it in his youtube videos. They have sold their R6s and he says he is in discussion with a manufacturer about bikes. I assumed at the time that was Hondas.

Thing is with Jack he is that good he doesn't need the best bike to win. Remember when he rode the 636 ZX6R vs other riders on R6. R6 was top bike and 600 ZX6R on a par.

The year Kennedy rode the ZX6R, it was very much the underdog compared to the R6, which, at the time, was definitely the bike to be on in BSB SSP
Kennedy rode the 636, which then had a really poor chassis compared to the old 600 ZX6R
Although saying that, Luke Stapleford rode a 636 this year and was leading a fair amount in the races he did (it had old style 600 fairings on it, but was Eugene McManus's bike from 2022)

For 2024, the rules for the 636 are changing, and it's now allowed to change the rear linkage length, which was the real weak point, as well as chassis changes to the headstock
Also, you can add twin injectors, a RBW throttle/Blipper (from Solo Eng) and the revs have increased. This will make the 636 a really strong bike in SSP, whereas the R6 is now getting left behind. Especially when you consider the competition is the Ducati V2 (which will be a very popular bike in 2024 for those with deep pockets) and the Triumph 765 (which is being allowed a shorter swing-arm next year, which is the weak point on that bike's chassis currently)
The GSXR750 is being pegged back electronically for 2024, as that bike was the anomaly of the 'Balancing' rules and was disproportionately fast for the class
Should be an interesting year with JK back, as he's undoubtably the king of that class, but it depends whether the CBR6 is actually any good or not

That's interesting. I've never realised Stapleford was on a 636 this year, and I'm a big fan of his so I was paying attention. I always thought he and TBA were on equal machinery.

Who'd of thought a GSXR750 would be disproportionately fast for the class?

It didn't strike me as having a big advantage tbh.

He bought Eugene Mcmanus's bike from our team end of last year. It was a mega build running full motec and a very trick motor.
I guess he just had the fairings still from his previous SS rides, and some think the 600 fairings look a load cooler than the 636 ones.
TBA was on the old 600, as that's gearlink's preferred bike as the chassis is better
The new rules for 2024 really seem to favour the 636 now, so it should be a really good bike for next season

If you watch somewhere like Knockhill, where you drive out a tight hairpin onto the start/finish straight, you could really see the benefit of the 750 torque over the 600's and V2. TBA and Stapleford had to make proper lunges to get past Irwin in those races. The power match of the 750 raised more than a few eyebrows this season, and subsequently, Scott Smart's new rules pin it back somewhat
It's a shame, as it is a really cheap way of creating a competitive SS bike
The cost of the full spec V2 of Currie is eye watering, but there'll be a fair few more of them on the grid this season as it's arguably the best bike right now, and as always in racing, if you have deep enough pockets, you can get a great bike. I'm sure Wilf is writing some big invoices this winter to people wanting them (I know at least 3 that are going into the V2's balls deep next year)

I'm looking forward to seeing how JK goes on the Honda. In worlds, it's not exactly shone brightly, and even though I know Taz is frustrated with the team and their ability to set the bike up, he did tell me that the frame just flexes too much, so it's really hard to get it going well even with the power deficit
Todd rode one for a couple of rounds this season, and was a long way down the timesheets. Padgetts build a good bike, and it's results at the NW have shown this.
It'll be good to see JK back though, and it brings a different element into the races having him there, as even with a bike that's potentially not as good as the others at the front, you know full well he'll be in the mix

[Zarco]

graeme4130 said:

He bought Eugene Mcmanus's bike from our team end of last year. It was a mega build running full motec and a very trick motor.
I guess he just had the fairings still from his previous SS rides, and some think the 600 fairings look a load cooler than the 636 ones.
TBA was on the old 600, as that's gearlink's preferred bike as the chassis is better
The new rules for 2024 really seem to favour the 636 now, so it should be a really good bike for next season

If you watch somewhere like Knockhill, where you drive out a tight hairpin onto the start/finish straight, you could really see the benefit of the 750 torque over the 600's and V2. TBA and Stapleford had to make proper lunges to get past Irwin in those races. The power match of the 750 raised more than a few eyebrows this season, and subsequently, Scott Smart's new rules pin it back somewhat
It's a shame, as it is a really cheap way of creating a competitive SS bike
The cost of the full spec V2 of Currie is eye watering, but there'll be a fair few more of them on the grid this season as it's arguably the best bike right now, and as always in racing, if you have deep enough pockets, you can get a great bike. I'm sure Wilf is writing some big invoices this winter to people wanting them (I know at least 3 that are going into the V2's balls deep next year)

I'm looking forward to seeing how JK goes on the Honda. In worlds, it's not exactly shone brightly, and even though I know Taz is frustrated with the team and their ability to set the bike up, he did tell me that the frame just flexes too much, so it's really hard to get it going well even with the power deficit
Todd rode one for a couple of rounds this season, and was a long way down the timesheets. Padgetts build a good bike, and it's results at the NW have shown this.
It'll be good to see JK back though, and it brings a different element into the races having him there, as even with a bike that's potentially not as good as the others at the front, you know full well he'll be in the mix

Do Padgetts not get some trick 600RR that's normally only available in Japan? I'm sure I recall that from the road racing coverage this year. Can't remember what made it better.

There's obviously a new model for this year anyway (not sure how new it really is beyond the fairing).

[graeme4130]

Zarco said:

graeme4130 said:

He bought Eugene Mcmanus's bike from our team end of last year. It was a mega build running full motec and a very trick motor.
I guess he just had the fairings still from his previous SS rides, and some think the 600 fairings look a load cooler than the 636 ones.
TBA was on the old 600, as that's gearlink's preferred bike as the chassis is better
The new rules for 2024 really seem to favour the 636 now, so it should be a really good bike for next season

If you watch somewhere like Knockhill, where you drive out a tight hairpin onto the start/finish straight, you could really see the benefit of the 750 torque over the 600's and V2. TBA and Stapleford had to make proper lunges to get past Irwin in those races. The power match of the 750 raised more than a few eyebrows this season, and subsequently, Scott Smart's new rules pin it back somewhat
It's a shame, as it is a really cheap way of creating a competitive SS bike
The cost of the full spec V2 of Currie is eye watering, but there'll be a fair few more of them on the grid this season as it's arguably the best bike right now, and as always in racing, if you have deep enough pockets, you can get a great bike. I'm sure Wilf is writing some big invoices this winter to people wanting them (I know at least 3 that are going into the V2's balls deep next year)

I'm looking forward to seeing how JK goes on the Honda. In worlds, it's not exactly shone brightly, and even though I know Taz is frustrated with the team and their ability to set the bike up, he did tell me that the frame just flexes too much, so it's really hard to get it going well even with the power deficit
Todd rode one for a couple of rounds this season, and was a long way down the timesheets. Padgetts build a good bike, and it's results at the NW have shown this.
It'll be good to see JK back though, and it brings a different element into the races having him there, as even with a bike that's potentially not as good as the others at the front, you know full well he'll be in the mix

Do Padgetts not get some trick 600RR that's normally only available in Japan? I'm sure I recall that from the road racing coverage this year. Can't remember what made it better.

There's obviously a new model for this year anyway (not sure how new it really is beyond the fairing).

I believe that Japan model, is basically the new European model minus the fancy new dash and IMU based electronics, which get ditched for racing anyway. The 'Balanced' Supersport bikes now run on Scott Smart/Wilf run Solo electronics, and many others run on Motec
KIT Ecu's were the budget SSP electronics, but these are no longer allowed in the 2024 rules

[slopes]

Currie confirmed to defend his title with motorapido - he already said he was anyway but now it is official

Iddon confirmed for 2024 at motorapido

[A500leroy]

What about TB?

[slopes]

A500leroy said:

What about TB?

Nothing yet.

Luke Stapleford to Macadam Triumph for 2024 in ssp alongside Max Wadsworth

Edited by slopes on Thursday 16th November 12:26

[graeme4130]

TBA is on the factory Triumph in WSS I believe

[graeme4130]

A500leroy said:

What about TB?

I'm 99.9% sure he's going to be on the 3rd Honda, but has contract issues to resolve (ie, he's probably asking for a zillion pounds, and they're offering less)

[slopes]

graeme4130 said:

TBA is on the factory Triumph in WSS I believe

[slopes]

graeme4130 said:

A500leroy said:

What about TB?

I'm 99.9% sure he's going to be on the 3rd Honda, but has contract issues to resolve (ie, he's probably asking for a zillion pounds, and they're offering less)

So who would be on the second Ducati at PBM then? Lee Jackson?

[A500leroy]

slopes said:

graeme4130 said:

TBA is on the factory Triumph in WSS I believe

Pity, im gonna miss his happy smiling face on Whits grid walks and his riding style on track.

[graeme4130]

A500leroy said:

Pity, im gonna miss his happy smiling face on Whits grid walks and his riding style on track.

BSB’s grumpiest superstar

[tinhead]

graeme4130 said:

He bought Eugene Mcmanus's bike from our team end of last year. It was a mega build running full motec and a very trick motor.
I guess he just had the fairings still from his previous SS rides, and some think the 600 fairings look a load cooler than the 636 ones.
TBA was on the old 600, as that's gearlink's preferred bike as the chassis is better
The new rules for 2024 really seem to favour the 636 now, so it should be a really good bike for next season

If you watch somewhere like Knockhill, where you drive out a tight hairpin onto the start/finish straight, you could really see the benefit of the 750 torque over the 600's and V2. TBA and Stapleford had to make proper lunges to get past Irwin in those races. The power match of the 750 raised more than a few eyebrows this season, and subsequently, Scott Smart's new rules pin it back somewhat
It's a shame, as it is a really cheap way of creating a competitive SS bike
The cost of the full spec V2 of Currie is eye watering, but there'll be a fair few more of them on the grid this season as it's arguably the best bike right now, and as always in racing, if you have deep enough pockets, you can get a great bike. I'm sure Wilf is writing some big invoices this winter to people wanting them (I know at least 3 that are going into the V2's balls deep next year)

I'm looking forward to seeing how JK goes on the Honda. In worlds, it's not exactly shone brightly, and even though I know Taz is frustrated with the team and their ability to set the bike up, he did tell me that the frame just flexes too much, so it's really hard to get it going well even with the power deficit
Todd rode one for a couple of rounds this season, and was a long way down the timesheets. Padgetts build a good bike, and it's results at the NW have shown this.
It'll be good to see JK back though, and it brings a different element into the races having him there, as even with a bike that's potentially not as good as the others at the front, you know full well he'll be in the mix

Probably a stupid question from someone that doesn't have you insider knowledge, but why is the V2 so expensive to race compared with the other bikes?
I know its dearer to start with than an r6 or old gixxer but there's no ultra exotic starting point like the V4R superbike, I imagine the brakes, suspension, wheels etc will be similar spec across all the bikes, and surely a 955cc 153hp v twin doesn't need expensive engine work to compete with a 600, I'd have thought it was the other way around?

[Theark]

graeme4130 said:

I'm 99.9% sure he's going to be on the 3rd Honda, but has contract issues to resolve (ie, he's probably asking for a zillion pounds, and they're offering less)

Nothing to do with the money.