Discussion
flatlandsman said:
OK maybe RB are lining up with Acosta, makes sense, also KTM is more their brand, Ducati have very little history of having Red Bull as backers I think, in any series, can you remember a RB liveried Ducati? I can't
Not racing GP AFAIK but Reve Racing ran Red Bull liveried Duacti's in Superbikes, also appeared on other BSB bikes.
Jorge Martin's pre-season Ducati training bike was heavy on the Red Bull livery - https://www.instagram.com/p/CYcRS8fqR27/?utm_sourc...
2ndclasscitizen said:
On Motomatters David Emmett noted that Gresini had a big dollar title sponsorship offer but turned it down in order to maintain their existing sponsor relationships as the assumption from all sides is Marc is there for 2024 only.
That's probably right and it's a shame, I think Gresini are rapidly becoming my new favourite team... But if Marc does what many of us think he's capable of there will be many doors open for 2025. Yazza54 said:
2ndclasscitizen said:
On Motomatters David Emmett noted that Gresini had a big dollar title sponsorship offer but turned it down in order to maintain their existing sponsor relationships as the assumption from all sides is Marc is there for 2024 only.
That's probably right and it's a shame, I think Gresini are rapidly becoming my new favourite team... But if Marc does what many of us think he's capable of there will be many doors open for 2025. Particularly if Repsol could be looking at another team too.
Drabbesttunic said:
Yazza54 said:
2ndclasscitizen said:
On Motomatters David Emmett noted that Gresini had a big dollar title sponsorship offer but turned it down in order to maintain their existing sponsor relationships as the assumption from all sides is Marc is there for 2024 only.
That's probably right and it's a shame, I think Gresini are rapidly becoming my new favourite team... But if Marc does what many of us think he's capable of there will be many doors open for 2025. Particularly if Repsol could be looking at another team too.
KTM seems a obvious one but if Pedro does well he will want to step into the factory team. I think KTM will drop Miller but not Binder.
Aprilia are a dark horse and have been for a while now, I would love to see a top, consistent and prolific winner on one, more likely to be Fabio than Marc though.
It'll be interesting to see how Yam and Honda do with the extra testing but I suppose if they don't know what they're doing then going round in circles more won't necessarily help unless it just allows them additional shots in the dark and one of them hits!
Yazza54 said:
Drabbesttunic said:
Yazza54 said:
2ndclasscitizen said:
On Motomatters David Emmett noted that Gresini had a big dollar title sponsorship offer but turned it down in order to maintain their existing sponsor relationships as the assumption from all sides is Marc is there for 2024 only.
That's probably right and it's a shame, I think Gresini are rapidly becoming my new favourite team... But if Marc does what many of us think he's capable of there will be many doors open for 2025. Particularly if Repsol could be looking at another team too.
KTM seems a obvious one but if Pedro does well he will want to step into the factory team. I think KTM will drop Miller but not Binder.
Aprilia are a dark horse and have been for a while now, I would love to see a top, consistent and prolific winner on one, more likely to be Fabio than Marc though.
It'll be interesting to see how Yam and Honda do with the extra testing but I suppose if they don't know what they're doing then going round in circles more won't necessarily help unless it just allows them additional shots in the dark and one of them hits!
If the Honda does well, he could always go back, as we know the Yam is a no, Ducati factory is most likely a no so leaves KTM and Aprilia, he would want a factory ride though I suppose.
Unless it all goes to s
t and he calls it a dayDrabbesttunic said:
Yazza54 said:
Drabbesttunic said:
Yazza54 said:
2ndclasscitizen said:
On Motomatters David Emmett noted that Gresini had a big dollar title sponsorship offer but turned it down in order to maintain their existing sponsor relationships as the assumption from all sides is Marc is there for 2024 only.
That's probably right and it's a shame, I think Gresini are rapidly becoming my new favourite team... But if Marc does what many of us think he's capable of there will be many doors open for 2025. Particularly if Repsol could be looking at another team too.
KTM seems a obvious one but if Pedro does well he will want to step into the factory team. I think KTM will drop Miller but not Binder.
Aprilia are a dark horse and have been for a while now, I would love to see a top, consistent and prolific winner on one, more likely to be Fabio than Marc though.
It'll be interesting to see how Yam and Honda do with the extra testing but I suppose if they don't know what they're doing then going round in circles more won't necessarily help unless it just allows them additional shots in the dark and one of them hits!
If the Honda does well, he could always go back, as we know the Yam is a no, Ducati factory is most likely a no so leaves KTM and Aprilia, he would want a factory ride though I suppose.
Unless it all goes to s
t and he calls it a dayI think the only team that can be ruled out is Yamaha.
Zarco said:
Drabbesttunic said:
Yazza54 said:
Drabbesttunic said:
Yazza54 said:
2ndclasscitizen said:
On Motomatters David Emmett noted that Gresini had a big dollar title sponsorship offer but turned it down in order to maintain their existing sponsor relationships as the assumption from all sides is Marc is there for 2024 only.
That's probably right and it's a shame, I think Gresini are rapidly becoming my new favourite team... But if Marc does what many of us think he's capable of there will be many doors open for 2025. Particularly if Repsol could be looking at another team too.
KTM seems a obvious one but if Pedro does well he will want to step into the factory team. I think KTM will drop Miller but not Binder.
Aprilia are a dark horse and have been for a while now, I would love to see a top, consistent and prolific winner on one, more likely to be Fabio than Marc though.
It'll be interesting to see how Yam and Honda do with the extra testing but I suppose if they don't know what they're doing then going round in circles more won't necessarily help unless it just allows them additional shots in the dark and one of them hits!
If the Honda does well, he could always go back, as we know the Yam is a no, Ducati factory is most likely a no so leaves KTM and Aprilia, he would want a factory ride though I suppose.
Unless it all goes to s
t and he calls it a dayI think the only team that can be ruled out is Yamaha.
With only 3 riders holding contracts that don't end at the end of 2024 there could be a big game of musical chairs. Where will Jorge Martin go, if Ducati keep Bagnaia and sign an impressive Marquez or keep a back to form Bastianini?
I don't see how Honda can improve in one year enough to make Marquez rejoin straight away, Mir will want out if it's still a dog. Same with Quartararo at Yamaha.
I don't see how Honda can improve in one year enough to make Marquez rejoin straight away, Mir will want out if it's still a dog. Same with Quartararo at Yamaha.
Yazza54 said:
Zarco said:
Drabbesttunic said:
Yazza54 said:
Drabbesttunic said:
Yazza54 said:
2ndclasscitizen said:
On Motomatters David Emmett noted that Gresini had a big dollar title sponsorship offer but turned it down in order to maintain their existing sponsor relationships as the assumption from all sides is Marc is there for 2024 only.
That's probably right and it's a shame, I think Gresini are rapidly becoming my new favourite team... But if Marc does what many of us think he's capable of there will be many doors open for 2025. Particularly if Repsol could be looking at another team too.
KTM seems a obvious one but if Pedro does well he will want to step into the factory team. I think KTM will drop Miller but not Binder.
Aprilia are a dark horse and have been for a while now, I would love to see a top, consistent and prolific winner on one, more likely to be Fabio than Marc though.
It'll be interesting to see how Yam and Honda do with the extra testing but I suppose if they don't know what they're doing then going round in circles more won't necessarily help unless it just allows them additional shots in the dark and one of them hits!
If the Honda does well, he could always go back, as we know the Yam is a no, Ducati factory is most likely a no so leaves KTM and Aprilia, he would want a factory ride though I suppose.
Unless it all goes to s
t and he calls it a dayI think the only team that can be ruled out is Yamaha.
For example, there's no way the Factory Ducati team are going to want a Spaniard beating them in a satellite team on a year old bike, as it makes their big budget team look a bit silly, and they'll have a board of shareholders asking questions as to why they're ploughing Millions into new bike, when last year's one is consistently out performing it.
For that reason, assuming MM93 is very quick straight out the blocks and starts winning races from round 1, which isn't unrealistic, you'd have to imagine that the Factory has a plan in place to put him onto a 2024 bike, and start trying to market links of how he's a factory rider. After all, Italian pride is a powerful tool
You can only assume that they'd then want him in red in 2025, but it's well known that Ducati don't want to pay MM money, whereas Redbull KTM might
The KTM is getting better and better every year too, so they'll be very aware that having someone like MM on it, could make that a championship winning machine quite quickly. What they do with Miller, I have no idea, but it's not unrealistic to assume that Accosta might just out perform him in his debut year too
Either way, it's going to be an interesting year in GP, which really did need an injection of excitement into it
FourWheelDrift said:
With only 3 riders holding contracts that don't end at the end of 2024 there could be a big game of musical chairs. Where will Jorge Martin go, if Ducati keep Bagnaia and sign an impressive Marquez or keep a back to form Bastianini?
I don't see how Honda can improve in one year enough to make Marquez rejoin straight away, Mir will want out if it's still a dog. Same with Quartararo at Yamaha.
I think Martin will go to another manufacturer if he doesn't get a factory Ducati next year, whether it's because MM has taken his spot or not. He wants a factory ride, and feels slighted by Ducati picking Bastianini last year and keeping him this year.I don't see how Honda can improve in one year enough to make Marquez rejoin straight away, Mir will want out if it's still a dog. Same with Quartararo at Yamaha.
Honda is like family to MM so he might well go back even if the bike hasn't taken a huge step. He doesn't need it to be that much better after all. There must be big loyalty between him and Honda (on the other hand he has deserted them at rock bottom, so perhaps not?!).
Yazza54 said:
In 2025, I think so. Aren't a lot of contracts up at the end of this year?
KTM seems a obvious one but if Pedro does well he will want to step into the factory team. I think KTM will drop Miller but not Binder.
Aprilia are a dark horse and have been for a while now, I would love to see a top, consistent and prolific winner on one, more likely to be Fabio than Marc though.
It'll be interesting to see how Yam and Honda do with the extra testing but I suppose if they don't know what they're doing then going round in circles more won't necessarily help unless it just allows them additional shots in the dark and one of them hits!
Judging by what they rolled out at Valencia, Honda know exactly what they're doing: building a "Ducati" then iterating the hell out of it. Yamaha looked like they're still trying to improve the current bike, not sure that'll work out well.KTM seems a obvious one but if Pedro does well he will want to step into the factory team. I think KTM will drop Miller but not Binder.
Aprilia are a dark horse and have been for a while now, I would love to see a top, consistent and prolific winner on one, more likely to be Fabio than Marc though.
It'll be interesting to see how Yam and Honda do with the extra testing but I suppose if they don't know what they're doing then going round in circles more won't necessarily help unless it just allows them additional shots in the dark and one of them hits!
Silly season speculation is very premature for me, but I expect some signings before the European rounds start, Pecco being the most likely one.
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