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five50 said:
If it helps I also would have called Sepang 2015 differently - Rossi got the blame for taking Marquez down - but Marquez had been riding with total disresoect and in a provocative / dangerous and completely unsportsmanlike way the whole time - in a way that I had never seen before.
Undoubtedly Rossi ran Marquez out at that time - but I felt that Marquez prior behaviour should have been taken into account.
We’re just racing enthusiasts discussing on a forum so I’ll respect your view and say that I understand why you say that, even if my view is different.
Clearly the stewards didn’t apportion blame for Sunday at Portimao.
I think the above was a given if you think Marquez was to blame on Saturday. I mean Marquez has the audacity to overtake people when racing. Utterly reprehensible behaviour. Also it’s 2024, time to get over Sepang. Undoubtedly Rossi ran Marquez out at that time - but I felt that Marquez prior behaviour should have been taken into account.
We’re just racing enthusiasts discussing on a forum so I’ll respect your view and say that I understand why you say that, even if my view is different.
Clearly the stewards didn’t apportion blame for Sunday at Portimao.
ajprice said:
five50 said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
I just want to say I really enjoyed the Moto GP races apart from Peco being a knob and knocking Marquez off.
lol... not the first time we’ve seen it from Marc.
ked up?...Marc made the move and got ahead, Peco didn't like it and ran Marc off, taking himself out in the process.. That's how I see it, how Biker's Nemesis sees it, and how most people see it. Marc was on the outside, Peco ran out wide into him.
I don't think trying to conflate it with Sepang 2015 is going to help, they're two completely different scenarios, and yes I agree that Marc was very provocative then, nor do I believe Rossi kicked him off, but there was no behaviour like that from either rider at Portimao.
FWIW the GP paddock and journalists present are either stating "racing incident" or "Pecco fked up" and that's the general mood amongst spectators. Marc alluded to Pecco accelerating to his inside, Aleix said Pecco was very aggressive, most of the riders saw a racing incident at a common flash point on a track that's difficult to pass on.
FWIW the GP paddock and journalists present are either stating "racing incident" or "Pecco f
ked up" and that's the general mood amongst spectators. Marc alluded to Pecco accelerating to his inside, Aleix said Pecco was very aggressive, most of the riders saw a racing incident at a common flash point on a track that's difficult to pass on.snagzie said:
ajprice said:
five50 said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
I just want to say I really enjoyed the Moto GP races apart from Peco being a knob and knocking Marquez off.
lol... not the first time we’ve seen it from Marc.ked up?...Marc made the move and got ahead, Peco didn't like it and ran Marc off, taking himself out in the process.. That's how I see it, how Biker's Nemesis sees it, and how most people see it. Marc was on the outside, Peco ran out wide into him.
The hindsight view looks like Marc was laying down a marker, making just having a look to see what he was made of and how far he was willing to go with him.
Pecco failed the first test, Marc will be secret smiling. All the commentary now will see Pecco having to explain why he’s not rattled by Marc.
Might be 2 + 2 = 5 but if I can see it that way you can be certain the journalists looking for an angle will too.
epom said:
snagzie said:
ajprice said:
five50 said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
I just want to say I really enjoyed the Moto GP races apart from Peco being a knob and knocking Marquez off.
lol... not the first time we’ve seen it from Marc.ked up?...Marc made the move and got ahead, Peco didn't like it and ran Marc off, taking himself out in the process.. That's how I see it, how Biker's Nemesis sees it, and how most people see it. Marc was on the outside, Peco ran out wide into him.
The hindsight view looks like Marc was laying down a marker, making just having a look to see what he was made of and how far he was willing to go with him.
Pecco failed the first test, Marc will be secret smiling. All the commentary now will see Pecco having to explain why he’s not rattled by Marc.
Might be 2 + 2 = 5 but if I can see it that way you can be certain the journalists looking for an angle will too.
Pecco seems to have a little red mist at the idea of Marc passing him; perhaps he feels his position of Number One Ducati rider is being undermined?
Racing incident, it's happened before and it will happen again.
Saying that, Marc ran wide and Pecco grabbed the inside line, Pecco would have been unsighted seeing where Marc was given his head was on the inside kerb.... but he would have known/anticipated Marc would come back to try and block him.
No one was in the wrong, but could have been avoided. For the sake of a few points and the 2nd round of the championship the outcome for both seems crazy, if it was 3 rounds to go and Pecco/Martin and fighting for the title it would have been completely logical for this move to happen.
Pecco is a 2 time world champion, and defending his title, we all know Marc's titles and his injuries, he's trying to rebuild his career and make waves to secure a factory ride.
Other than Acosta and this incident it would have been a pretty boring race.
Saying that, Marc ran wide and Pecco grabbed the inside line, Pecco would have been unsighted seeing where Marc was given his head was on the inside kerb.... but he would have known/anticipated Marc would come back to try and block him.
No one was in the wrong, but could have been avoided. For the sake of a few points and the 2nd round of the championship the outcome for both seems crazy, if it was 3 rounds to go and Pecco/Martin and fighting for the title it would have been completely logical for this move to happen.
Pecco is a 2 time world champion, and defending his title, we all know Marc's titles and his injuries, he's trying to rebuild his career and make waves to secure a factory ride.
Other than Acosta and this incident it would have been a pretty boring race.
IMO the theories on Peco vs Marquez are to try and make it interesting.
When put under pressure Peco has been known to make mistakes, how many times did he crash out of the lead in the past (notably when the guy behind him was gaining)? He seemed to be getting better at managing it but likely still has that temperament. Peco has now stated that he didn't have a good "feeling" all weekend, so was likely less than calm before the race even started. I reckon it's just another under pressure mistake that Marquez happened to be in the way of.
That's boring though....on with the theories.....
When put under pressure Peco has been known to make mistakes, how many times did he crash out of the lead in the past (notably when the guy behind him was gaining)? He seemed to be getting better at managing it but likely still has that temperament. Peco has now stated that he didn't have a good "feeling" all weekend, so was likely less than calm before the race even started. I reckon it's just another under pressure mistake that Marquez happened to be in the way of.
That's boring though....on with the theories.....
Pecco was definitely trying to put a line in the sand to let Marquez know he couldn't be pushed around. Unfortunately he rather cocked it up, going a bit too hard and taking them both out.
It was a racing incident, but Pecco could have avoided it by letting Marquez have the corner, as he knew Marquez would cut back aggressively.
It was a racing incident, but Pecco could have avoided it by letting Marquez have the corner, as he knew Marquez would cut back aggressively.
ajprice said:
So you don't think Peco fked up?...
Marc made the move and got ahead, Peco didn't like it and ran Marc off, taking himself out in the process.. That's how I see it, how Biker's Nemesis sees it, and how most people see it. Marc was on the outside, Peco ran out wide into him.
Even Jorge Lorenzo has said that Peco should have accepted the overtake. Easier said than done in the heat of battle and adrenalin pumping.ked up?...Marc made the move and got ahead, Peco didn't like it and ran Marc off, taking himself out in the process.. That's how I see it, how Biker's Nemesis sees it, and how most people see it. Marc was on the outside, Peco ran out wide into him.
https://youtu.be/MdXgFJo-akI?feature=shared
To me it looks like Pecco is holding his line in a consistent way and it is Marc that cuts back across him.
The fact that when the crash happens, Marc doesn’t remonstrate with Pecco - he just keeps his head down, says quite a bit about what he thinks happened.
We will have to agree to disagree.
five50 said:
https://youtu.be/MdXgFJo-akI?feature=shared
To me it looks like Pecco is holding his line in a consistent way and it is Marc that cuts back across him.
The fact that when the crash happens, Marc doesn’t remonstrate with Pecco - he just keeps his head down, says quite a bit about what he thinks happened.
We will have to agree to disagree.
Pecco was holding his line, but there was a bike in front of him: as I said earlier, where did Pecco expect Marc to go? To me it's a racing incident, two riders squabbling over the same piece of tarmac, but Pecco should've conceded that corner. Why? Because the alternative was crashing and scoring nil point.To me it looks like Pecco is holding his line in a consistent way and it is Marc that cuts back across him.
The fact that when the crash happens, Marc doesn’t remonstrate with Pecco - he just keeps his head down, says quite a bit about what he thinks happened.
We will have to agree to disagree.
I thought stang65 made a good point: Pecco has always been prone to clumsy mistakes when under pressure. Contrast his approach to Brad accepting that he wasn't having a good weekend and letting Acosta go. For all the talk of serenity in Pecco's box, he strikes me as a person who gets flustered and emotional when things go wrong. All credit to him and Ducati though, when he's calm he generally brings home the bacon, but when the pair were in the gravel, Marc is intent on getting back on to salvage what he can, Pecco is raging, and was still raging when he got back to the box.
Anyway, it's going to be a long fortnight if all we have to talk about were two former champions failing to ride near eachother, luckily Pedro Acosta showed everyone how to overtake, and how to scrape a bellypan
I think Pecco was well aware that he was likely to rub Marc, and Marc was well aware that he was likely to get a nudge... It just went a bit wrong for them both.
Pedro cut back quite aggressively to the line / across Pecco when he made his pass. But it was at a different point in the circuit which changed both Pecco's visibility, and the chances of a hard re-pass working.
I don't think there were any "mind games" at play, just hard racing and maybe some slight error of judgment.
Pedro cut back quite aggressively to the line / across Pecco when he made his pass. But it was at a different point in the circuit which changed both Pecco's visibility, and the chances of a hard re-pass working.
I don't think there were any "mind games" at play, just hard racing and maybe some slight error of judgment.
Turn7 said:
Not an F1 fan personally, so have mixed feelings that a US entertainment company (Liberty Media) has motorcycle racing’s premiere competition ‘best interests’ at heart. BMW admit talking to Dorna about MotoGP. Shouldn't they be talking to Liberty Media now 
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1046271/1/bmw-ad...
“2027 could be the perfect time to get involved in MotoGP as this is when a new regulation will be introduced,” Markus Flasch, Head of BMW Motorrad is quoted by Motorsport.
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1046271/1/bmw-ad...
“2027 could be the perfect time to get involved in MotoGP as this is when a new regulation will be introduced,” Markus Flasch, Head of BMW Motorrad is quoted by Motorsport.
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Turn7 said:
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