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Marquezs Stabilisers

1,253 posts

62 months

Monday 1st April
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540TORQUES said:
F1 is behind a paywall, so don't see why anyone would think MotoGP would be moving to free to view under liberty.
That won't change, but so many highlights clips are behind a MotoGP.com login that it is a hindrance.

Hopefully see better merch as well.

Turn7

23,648 posts

222 months

Monday 1st April
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egor110

16,910 posts

204 months

Monday 1st April
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There's a good motopod podcast with the woman who does the f1 parc ferme podcast.

She goes into how motogp acts like it's a big player hiding behind a paywall whilst not actually having many viewers.

Johno

8,433 posts

283 months

Monday 1st April
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As above, Dorna is ultra ultra protective of the clips/highlights/series being behind a paywall. Yet this is where you can encourage more people to view the action and then potentially lure them behind the paywall.

They act like potential fans will pay up front, most won't. Free to air isn't part of how LM operate nor any major sporting series any more, unfortunately, so that won't change, but engaging new fans is key.

hiccy18

2,690 posts

68 months

Monday 1st April
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I don't object to paying for something I enjoy watching, £6-ish a round for for or five races each round is quite reasonable, but I wouldn't pay much more. Ticket prices for some of the rounds are already pretty steep, enough to make me think twice about attending.

But I'm pretty relaxed, I already weighed up stopping viewing during the processional and predictable first half of last season, if it becomes poor value I'll cancel my subscription and won't attend races, or buy merchandise. The sport only succeeds if someone watches it, doesn't have to be me.

I notice Liberty's CEO first announcement speaks of 'growing fanbase improving monetisation", which is what investors will want to hear. Fans want to hear how they'll affect the sport but that goes unaddressed.

egor110

16,910 posts

204 months

Monday 1st April
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The catch 22 is how do you grow the fanbase when it's hidden behind a paywall ?

They need it free to air for a year to hook new fans then get it back pay per view.

2ndclasscitizen

311 posts

118 months

Monday 1st April
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Johno said:
As above, Dorna is ultra ultra protective of the clips/highlights/series being behind a paywall. Yet this is where you can encourage more people to view the action and then potentially lure them behind the paywall.

They act like potential fans will pay up front, most won't. Free to air isn't part of how LM operate nor any major sporting series any more, unfortunately, so that won't change, but engaging new fans is key.
While they don't do FTA broadcasting of the races, Liberty puts waaaaaaaay more content on YouTube, highlights of FP sessions, qualifying, races, any big moments etc. Heaps more than Dorna does with MotoGP. My udnerstanding is that they allow independent content creators to use much more footage as well. That's definitely something that will get people engaged with it. F1TV much cheaper than VideoPass as well.

srob

11,633 posts

239 months

Tuesday 2nd April
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Turn7 said:
Be interesting to see if it sells. It didn't sell when offered for a similar estimate by Bonhams last year, and they have some pretty big collectors as contacts and it's arguably a tougher market now.

Cool thing though.

srob

11,633 posts

239 months

Tuesday 2nd April
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egor110 said:
The catch 22 is how do you grow the fanbase when it's hidden behind a paywall ?

They need it free to air for a year to hook new fans then get it back pay per view.
They'll try and do this by making more of the off-race 'drama' I fear. There will no doubt be Netflix crews all over the place, and spin off shows behind the scenes.

I'm not wholly against the idea of Liberty, it'll be interesting to see how it goes. Feels a bit like it needs a shake up imho.

Freakuk

3,168 posts

152 months

Tuesday 2nd April
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I think/hope it will be good for the series. I don't follow F1, haven't watched it for decades, but it is more popular than ever which I can only put down to LM and their input/marketing.

Dorna made a right mess of trying to emulate F1 on Amazon a year or two ago, so if anything I hope we would see something like this to keep fans interested.

My only concerns are around ticket prices for the real fans, some circuits are already charging an extortionate amount and bums on seats numbers are pretty low, others - Le Mans spring to mind was packed to the rafters last year, if the ticket price increases they'll see numbers fall and at some point some circuits may well say no to hosting if they're going to lose $$$.

Likewise, and already mentioned, I am sure LM will want to host more US rounds which I have no issue with personally, but at the sacrifice of what?

Finally, I like the current coverage offered, but I fear for making it too "Merican with some daft commentary, riders being used like puppets etc.

Marquezs Stabilisers

1,253 posts

62 months

Tuesday 2nd April
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I think we'll see some of the European rounds go. Nobody will really miss Valencia tbh, and does Aragon get many fans (even if I'd rather we dropped Jerez than there personally - huge crowds but the layout doesn't produce good racing).

I can also see Mugello or Misano going: the bikes are getting too fast for Mugello and tickets there are silly money. Misano isn't near Florence so less good for social media and celebs. However the government like it as it's always the week after the Italian schools go back and gets the resorts another week's income. Portimao was early this year, probably for similar reasons!

The problem Liberty will have is that a lot of new F1 destinations are street circuits. These are easy for fans but not easy to make safe for MotoGP.

As we discussed a few weeks ago, there's not many suitable tracks in USA (no, not Laguna Seca) either.

Marquezs Stabilisers

1,253 posts

62 months

Tuesday 2nd April
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2ndclasscitizen said:
While they don't do FTA broadcasting of the races, Liberty puts waaaaaaaay more content on YouTube, highlights of FP sessions, qualifying, races, any big moments etc. Heaps more than Dorna does with MotoGP. My udnerstanding is that they allow independent content creators to use much more footage as well. That's definitely something that will get people engaged with it. F1TV much cheaper than VideoPass as well.
Yeah, Donna doesn't let the teams use official footage for their own promotional purposes. OK to hire a circuit to shoot some videos if you're RedBull or HRC, bit harder for Moto3 teams.

ArnageWRC

2,072 posts

160 months

Tuesday 2nd April
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Dorna needed new input 5-10+ years ago. They ran out of ideas and didn't seem to know how to turn it into a 'World' chanpionship again, after too many years as almost a Spanish series........The years of top US, Australian & Japanese riders as well as Europeans seems ages ago.

They rode the wave of Rossi mania, and didn't have a succession plan; Marquez was never going to be that rider.......

Like too many non F1 series, MotoGP was never as big as they thought it was......

aeropilot

34,718 posts

228 months

Tuesday 2nd April
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Stan the Bat said:
dukeboy749r said:
Turn7 said:
Hmmmm, not sure how I feel about this....

https://motomatters.com/news/2024/03/28/f1_owner_l...
Not an F1 fan personally, so have mixed feelings that a US entertainment company (Liberty Media) has motorcycle racing’s premiere competition ‘best interests’ at heart.
I fear that this is not a good move.
Yep, I agree.

Bang goes my enjoyment of MotoGP then after this season, when Liberty put it behind a paywall....which they will do.



ajprice

27,626 posts

197 months

Tuesday 2nd April
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aeropilot said:
Stan the Bat said:
dukeboy749r said:
Turn7 said:
Hmmmm, not sure how I feel about this....

https://motomatters.com/news/2024/03/28/f1_owner_l...
Not an F1 fan personally, so have mixed feelings that a US entertainment company (Liberty Media) has motorcycle racing’s premiere competition ‘best interests’ at heart.
I fear that this is not a good move.
Yep, I agree.

Bang goes my enjoyment of MotoGP then after this season, when Liberty put it behind a paywall....which they will do.
It's already behind a £30 monthly paywall on TNT Sport/Discovery+ and MotoGP.ccom

aeropilot

34,718 posts

228 months

Tuesday 2nd April
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ajprice said:
aeropilot said:
Stan the Bat said:
dukeboy749r said:
Turn7 said:
Hmmmm, not sure how I feel about this....

https://motomatters.com/news/2024/03/28/f1_owner_l...
Not an F1 fan personally, so have mixed feelings that a US entertainment company (Liberty Media) has motorcycle racing’s premiere competition ‘best interests’ at heart.
I fear that this is not a good move.
Yep, I agree.

Bang goes my enjoyment of MotoGP then after this season, when Liberty put it behind a paywall....which they will do.
It's already behind a £30 monthly paywall on TNT Sport/Discovery+ and MotoGP.ccom
I've been watching the highlight shows on Freeview for numerous years now, and even watched it live on Freeview the other week (which I was pleasantly surprised at)

Liberty won't be doing that.

ajprice

27,626 posts

197 months

Tuesday 2nd April
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aeropilot said:
ajprice said:
aeropilot said:
Stan the Bat said:
dukeboy749r said:
Turn7 said:
Hmmmm, not sure how I feel about this....

https://motomatters.com/news/2024/03/28/f1_owner_l...
Not an F1 fan personally, so have mixed feelings that a US entertainment company (Liberty Media) has motorcycle racing’s premiere competition ‘best interests’ at heart.
I fear that this is not a good move.
Yep, I agree.

Bang goes my enjoyment of MotoGP then after this season, when Liberty put it behind a paywall....which they will do.
It's already behind a £30 monthly paywall on TNT Sport/Discovery+ and MotoGP.ccom
I've been watching the highlight shows on Freeview for numerous years now, and even watched it live on Freeview the other week (which I was pleasantly surprised at)

Liberty won't be doing that.
I meant for live coverage, I watch ITV4 highlights too since it finished on BT sport.

Zarco

17,927 posts

210 months

Tuesday 2nd April
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Liberty have actually bought a controlling stake in Dorna, and are keeping them (and the existing Dorna team) on board to manage it. So this might not be such a drastic change that some of the doom mongers are worrying about.

Zarco

17,927 posts

210 months

hiccy18

2,690 posts

68 months

Tuesday 2nd April
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Worked out at pennies over £10 a month for Videopass this year, for 21 rounds that's decent value. Some of the rounds are €150 for a decent grandstand ticket, for three days and four or five races, I've no gripes with any of that.

Make it £30 a month and I won't watch it, same with attendance if they all go €300 a seat. Some of the most expensive rounds this year are almost sold out, so increasing demand definitely won't make things cheaper. Poor news for people who have spent 40/50+ years following, and supporting, the sport.