Green lane riding in Derbyshire

[Crudeoink]

KTMsm said:

Right on cue this popped up in my feed

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/vQFmT2La792xwW3X/

Someone riding perfectly legally and sensibly, willing to have a conversation and educate a walker yet the peasant wishes to remain ignorant

Its always the dog walkers
Horse riders always say the bikes are very respectful (always engine off and let them pass), MTB riders love seeing motorbikes on the lanes, walkers are usually pretty chill and give a wave. But dog walkers always like to say its illegal, despite having their uncontrollable dog off the lead Nothing against dogs, I have one myself!

[trumpet1608]

Gnits said:

This is indeed true, there are some near me where this applies - ones which are closed during some of the year but also some which are not marked and appear as a normal country lane on maps but there is no chance of getting a car down them.
It is however a nice indicator of how little is available!
The short answer of course is that there is no free resource that is accurate.

Hampshire County Council (and I assume others) have a Definitive Map on their website which shows BOATS, UCRs, etc and also has a list of TROs in force on them. They are downloadable as pdfs which you can take out with you.

All the best

Dick

[popeyewhite]

KTMsm said:

Right on cue this popped up in my feed

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/vQFmT2La792xwW3X/

Someone riding perfectly legally and sensibly, willing to have a conversation and educate a walker yet the peasant wishes to remain ignorant

That's poor from the walker, he must have known bikes use that track. Biker didn't have to engage though. Just looked like two people spoiling for a confrontation.

Hugo Stiglitz said:

Dog walkers often let the dogs off the lead in the Peak district and then get verbally abusive.

And on the other hand it's perfectly legal to walk a dog off the lead. Surely it's no big deal and good manners if you slow down a bit to get past.

[Hugo Stiglitz]

No it's not legal if they aren't in control.

I'm a cyclist, as well as motorbiker and car driver and I'm sick of 'can you stop please or slow down' when attempting to navigate past dogs off the lead.

The last time the dog changed direction again and ran across my front wheel causing me to skid. I got a proper mouthful from the dog owner.

Dog owners with dogs off rhe lead in public are probably the most self entitled.

I've witnessed dogs off rhe lead on bridleways spooking horse riders.

The dog on sheep worrying (in the Peak) - again I've challenged two - they gave me full barrelled abuse. The third was a ranger wearing a red coat.

In a sandwich shop I was speaking to a very big built farmer who told me the times he's had clashes with dogs not in proper control the owners have been almost apocalyptic with rage when he's asked them to pay or challenged them. He was calm and just looked deflated.

Just put the thing on a lead.

My old Westie hated dogs coming up to him when he was on the lead. He was calm, well natured but if a dog off the lead bothered him he'd go for it. Especially if it was a larger breed.

[popeyewhite]

Hugo Stiglitz said:

No it's not legal if they aren't in control.

Perhaps you should have said in your post the dog was out of control?

Hugo Stiglitz said:

I'm a cyclist, as well as motorbiker and car driver and I'm sick of 'can you stop please or slow down' when attempting to navigate past dogs off the lead.

Why? Is there some reason why you can't share?

Hugo Stiglitz said:

The last time the dog changed direction again and ran across my front wheel causing me to skid. I got a proper mouthful from the dog owner.

That's not an out of control dog, and it's unlikely it could read your intentions. Being a dog.

Hugo Stiglitz said:

Dog owners with dogs off rhe lead in public are probably the most self entitled.

It's not really coming across that way...?

Hugo Stiglitz said:

I've witnessed dogs off rhe lead on bridleways spooking horse riders.
The dog on sheep worrying (in the Peak) - again I've challenged two - they gave me full barrelled abuse. The third was a ranger wearing a red coat.
In a sandwich shop I was speaking to a very big built farmer who told me the times he's had clashes with dogs not in proper control the owners have been almost apocalyptic with rage when he's asked them to pay or challenged them. He was calm and just looked deflated.

What do you mean 'pay up'? Pay for what?

I've met some terrible dog owners as well. I've met some who have left dog muck on the ground, vandalised 'put dog on lead if not in control' signs and vandalised new no parking signs. completely off the scale weirdness.

Hugo Stiglitz said:

Just put the thing on a lead.

Law allows for dogs off the lead, just as law allows for bikes on green lanes. I think a compromise should be reached between user groups.

Hugo Stiglitz said:

My old Westie hated dogs coming up to him when he was on the lead. He was calm, well natured but if a dog off the lead bothered him he'd go for it. Especially if it was a larger breed.

Yes dogs shouldn't approach uninvited. My view anyway.

[KTMsm]

popeyewhite said:

Hugo Stiglitz said:

Dog walkers often let the dogs off the lead in the Peak district and then get verbally abusive.

And on the other hand it's perfectly legal to walk a dog off the lead. Surely it's no big deal and good manners if you slow down a bit to get past.

Would you walk a dog off lead, down the A46 and ask the cars to slow down for it ?

I've come across dogs off lead on tarmac roads in country areas and the owners are NEVER apologetic most are hostile seeing bikers and we always slow down, if only because hitting a dog will likely cause us to fall off

I've had the same with a few horse riders even if we've stopped and turned the engine's off - some want the countryside to themselves

Yes some bikers are tts but the vast majority are over 50s and pretty reasonable IME

[popeyewhite]

KTMsm said:

Would you walk a dog off lead, down the A46 and ask the cars to slow down for it ?

If bikes drive down green lanes as if it's the A46 then there's your problem, right there.

KTMsm said:

I've come across dogs off lead on tarmac roads in country areas and the owners are NEVER apologetic most are hostile seeing bikers and we always slow down, if only because hitting a dog will likely cause us to fall off

I've had the same with a few horse riders even if we've stopped and turned the engine's off - some want the countryside to themselves

Yes some bikers are tts but the vast majority are over 50s and pretty reasonable IME

Everyone needs to step back a little bit. There's idiots from all camps involved here but I've learnt when sharing spaces a little tolerance goes a long way.. Even if it only helps with your blood pressure it makes a more enjoyable day out if you can hold back from letting people irritate you.

[the tribester]

trumpet1608 said:

Hampshire County Council (and I assume others) have a Definitive Map on their website which shows BOATS, UCRs, etc and also has a list of TROs in force on them. They are downloadable as pdfs which you can take out with you.

All the best

Dick

Usually true for permanent TROs, but usually not the case for temporary TROs.

T

[KTMsm]

Went for a run around Lutterworth at the weekend

In the dry most of them would be suitable for a scrambler type bike

The thing that made it interesting was that it's been raining a lot and you had to guess whether the puddles on otherwise quite dull, semi surfaced lanes were 3" or 3' deep



I think this guy or someone similar must have been out there because it made no sense how there were so many

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/emdbEXr7Uqt5Z8Nc/

[PT1984]

Well I went out last night and took a wrong turn in
Youlgrave (Derbyshire) and got lost around Middleton and Elton. Dusty farm tracks which apart from it getting dark, were great fun. The bike couldn’t handle any more, but I’m fine with that. Think il just plan some routes in google maps and send them to my phone.

[KTMsm]

Here's a screenshot of the nearest lanes



If you join the trf you then can zoom in get information on them etc

[Hugo Stiglitz]

fk me there's not many for a coherent days trail, only top left

[KTMsm]

I think there's only two days riding in the area these days

And that's probably still 90% road

[Neal H]

I live in Norfolk, which is very rural with probably hundreds of square miles of forest. I’ve toyed with the idea of getting a small off road style bike for exploring trails, but the reality is there’s none anywhere near me, so it’s not worth the expense. In fact, East Anglia as a whole is largely devoid of trails that can be accessed by motorised vehicles.

Here is a map of Byways Open to All Traffic.


Here is the same map showing Restricted Byways and Bridleways.

[KTMsm]

That's why most of us also have a van

You need a big Adventure bike to get to the trails, but then most of our trials aren't suitable for big adventure bikes - unless you're a very good rider

I'm upgrading my vito to a LWB sprinter so I can have comfy overnight trips

[Hugo Stiglitz]

I once had an interesting discussion in the Peak on my mountain bike


'You lot are creating erosion'.

I replied that I was pretty sure the glaciers etc eroded and created the hills and there's always change...

[Crudeoink]

I live just south of Oxford and we are spoilt around here for choice. Lots within a 20-30 minute ride.

Problem is they are all slippery as anything and being new to Greenlaning I bought TKC80's which aren't great in mud

[KTMsm]

Crudeoink said:

Problem is they are all slippery as anything and being new to Greenlaning I bought TKC80's which aren't great in mud

Don't worry, there's bound to be a day in August when it's dry