stalker back on a superbike, in wsbk!!!!!
Discussion
castrolcraig said:
Jetl3on said:
sprinter885 said:
..but maybe not with Shakey?? (replacement for Bayliss?)
I hope Shakey gets this ride, this could be his route back into Motogp if he impresses, would like to see him have another shot at the bigtime, I think he would easily outgun Toseland with his natural talent as britains best hope right now.shakey is ok, but im sorry mate he is nowhere near the class of jt!!!
and as for motogp for shakey, forget it!!
But he's miles better than Haslam, Leon not Ron.
Edited by blade7 on Friday 25th July 11:27
blade7 said:
Jetl3on said:
Hodgson was not a great racer, but he was world class.
Him and Walker set BSB alight that year, and fought tooth and nail at each round, the Ducati and Suzuki both scored and lost points across the season, you cant judge him based on one race alone.
Whoever won that year would have deserved it, through talent, skill, determination and sheer entertainment, it was a war between those 2, fairing bashing, knocking each other off, that was a classic season which defined both their careers.
I remember Hodgson dicing with Edwards and Bayliss on his GSE as a wildcard and winning on inferior machinery, with a few podiums thrown in, where did Walker come in, 5th?
Walker is talented, he had the opportunity to shine, but he failed miserably, he rode the Suzuki, the 500cc, the Kwak, GSE Ducati, Petronas, Suzuki again, then back to Kwak and Suzuki, and only 1 race win in 131 races to show for it.
Hogdson made decent career choices and went on to be moderately successful compared to Walker who was a complete flop.
Despite all that Walker had a far superior fanbase, as he rode a 4cyl 750 as opposed to the Ducati which alot of people at the time opposed, as it was considered a detuned 1000cc race bike.
Hmmmnn, I don't understand how Hodgeson was "world class" when he "fought tooth and nail" with Walker who later "failed miserably" and was a "complete flop", a huge part of their respective success and or lack of it was down to equipment as was proven when hodgeson went stateside, personally I don't think there's much between them, maybe Hodgeson has been better advised and that can be what wins championships. Him and Walker set BSB alight that year, and fought tooth and nail at each round, the Ducati and Suzuki both scored and lost points across the season, you cant judge him based on one race alone.
Whoever won that year would have deserved it, through talent, skill, determination and sheer entertainment, it was a war between those 2, fairing bashing, knocking each other off, that was a classic season which defined both their careers.
I remember Hodgson dicing with Edwards and Bayliss on his GSE as a wildcard and winning on inferior machinery, with a few podiums thrown in, where did Walker come in, 5th?
Walker is talented, he had the opportunity to shine, but he failed miserably, he rode the Suzuki, the 500cc, the Kwak, GSE Ducati, Petronas, Suzuki again, then back to Kwak and Suzuki, and only 1 race win in 131 races to show for it.
Hogdson made decent career choices and went on to be moderately successful compared to Walker who was a complete flop.
Despite all that Walker had a far superior fanbase, as he rode a 4cyl 750 as opposed to the Ducati which alot of people at the time opposed, as it was considered a detuned 1000cc race bike.
I define World Class as the ability to consistently compete at the top level against the best in the world, which Hodgson did, first as a wildcard on inferior machinery and then winning (13 races?) the title the following year.
AMA was not great, nor was it a disaster, he dared to try the impossible and attempt to win the AMA. A foriegn series with alien rules, tracks and language, the rules made it impossible for a Ducati to compete on equal terms with the 4cylinders.
Compared to Stalker....who had the talent, won several BSB races but made very bad career choices and never showed his true potential when the world was watching.
So by definition you could say Hodgson was world class, Stalker was not.
IMHO.
Jetl3on said:
blade7 said:
Jetl3on said:
Hodgson was not a great racer, but he was world class.
Him and Walker set BSB alight that year, and fought tooth and nail at each round, the Ducati and Suzuki both scored and lost points across the season, you cant judge him based on one race alone.
Whoever won that year would have deserved it, through talent, skill, determination and sheer entertainment, it was a war between those 2, fairing bashing, knocking each other off, that was a classic season which defined both their careers.
I remember Hodgson dicing with Edwards and Bayliss on his GSE as a wildcard and winning on inferior machinery, with a few podiums thrown in, where did Walker come in, 5th?
Walker is talented, he had the opportunity to shine, but he failed miserably, he rode the Suzuki, the 500cc, the Kwak, GSE Ducati, Petronas, Suzuki again, then back to Kwak and Suzuki, and only 1 race win in 131 races to show for it.
Hogdson made decent career choices and went on to be moderately successful compared to Walker who was a complete flop.
Despite all that Walker had a far superior fanbase, as he rode a 4cyl 750 as opposed to the Ducati which alot of people at the time opposed, as it was considered a detuned 1000cc race bike.
Hmmmnn, I don't understand how Hodgeson was "world class" when he "fought tooth and nail" with Walker who later "failed miserably" and was a "complete flop", a huge part of their respective success and or lack of it was down to equipment as was proven when hodgeson went stateside, personally I don't think there's much between them, maybe Hodgeson has been better advised and that can be what wins championships. Him and Walker set BSB alight that year, and fought tooth and nail at each round, the Ducati and Suzuki both scored and lost points across the season, you cant judge him based on one race alone.
Whoever won that year would have deserved it, through talent, skill, determination and sheer entertainment, it was a war between those 2, fairing bashing, knocking each other off, that was a classic season which defined both their careers.
I remember Hodgson dicing with Edwards and Bayliss on his GSE as a wildcard and winning on inferior machinery, with a few podiums thrown in, where did Walker come in, 5th?
Walker is talented, he had the opportunity to shine, but he failed miserably, he rode the Suzuki, the 500cc, the Kwak, GSE Ducati, Petronas, Suzuki again, then back to Kwak and Suzuki, and only 1 race win in 131 races to show for it.
Hogdson made decent career choices and went on to be moderately successful compared to Walker who was a complete flop.
Despite all that Walker had a far superior fanbase, as he rode a 4cyl 750 as opposed to the Ducati which alot of people at the time opposed, as it was considered a detuned 1000cc race bike.
I define World Class as the ability to consistently compete at the top level against the best in the world, which Hodgson did, first as a wildcard on inferior machinery and then winning (13 races?) the title the following year.
AMA was not great, nor was it a disaster, he dared to try the impossible and attempt to win the AMA. A foriegn series with alien rules, tracks and language, the rules made it impossible for a Ducati to compete on equal terms with the 4cylinders.
Compared to Stalker....who had the talent, won several BSB races but made very bad career choices and never showed his true potential when the world was watching.
So by definition you could say Hodgson was world class, Stalker was not.
IMHO.
blade7 said:
castrolcraig said:
Jetl3on said:
sprinter885 said:
..but maybe not with Shakey?? (replacement for Bayliss?)
I hope Shakey gets this ride, this could be his route back into Motogp if he impresses, would like to see him have another shot at the bigtime, I think he would easily outgun Toseland with his natural talent as britains best hope right now.shakey is ok, but im sorry mate he is nowhere near the class of jt!!!
and as for motogp for shakey, forget it!!
But he's miles better than Haslam, Leon not Ron.
Edited by blade7 on Friday 25th July 11:27
Shakey would do well with a top bike in Motogp, but his age would count against him getting a decent ride. He started to show promise on the Risla, but his style is better suited to the Ducati.
sprinter885 said:
You sure them Good 'Ole Boys across the pond have a different language???
Peculiar terminology (& habits perhaps) but AFAIK they still speak English>>>
Exactly, not what you need when your the new kid on the block, come to steal their sweeties, them speaking peculiar like Peculiar terminology (& habits perhaps) but AFAIK they still speak English>>>
blade7 said:
castrolcraig said:
Jetl3on said:
sprinter885 said:
..but maybe not with Shakey?? (replacement for Bayliss?)
I hope Shakey gets this ride, this could be his route back into Motogp if he impresses, would like to see him have another shot at the bigtime, I think he would easily outgun Toseland with his natural talent as britains best hope right now.shakey is ok, but im sorry mate he is nowhere near the class of jt!!!
and as for motogp for shakey, forget it!!
But he's miles better than Haslam, Leon not Ron.
Edited by blade7 on Friday 25th July 11:27
FourWheelDrift said:
blade7 said:
castrolcraig said:
Jetl3on said:
sprinter885 said:
..but maybe not with Shakey?? (replacement for Bayliss?)
I hope Shakey gets this ride, this could be his route back into Motogp if he impresses, would like to see him have another shot at the bigtime, I think he would easily outgun Toseland with his natural talent as britains best hope right now.shakey is ok, but im sorry mate he is nowhere near the class of jt!!!
and as for motogp for shakey, forget it!!
But he's miles better than Haslam, Leon not Ron.
Edited by blade7 on Friday 25th July 11:27
i have it on good authority that within xerox team the no1 option to replace troy is brendan, i know one of his personal sponsors well and it would be nice to see him get the ride..
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