Honda's new V5 VFR
Discussion
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castrolcraig said:
DBRacingGod said:
Regardless of the facts of this case, I love it when folk call MCN (or anything else for that matter) the 'least respected rag of the industry'.
Dear Sir, do you even know what you're talking about? Do you know how much money MCN generates? Do you know how many jobs in 'the industry' depend on good MCN figures? Do you know how intrinsic 'that rag' is to healthy motorcycle sales?
Somehow I think the answer is already before me...
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha please tell me that your regular job is a stand up comedian, if not then you really do beleive the mcn sales parp!!Dear Sir, do you even know what you're talking about? Do you know how much money MCN generates? Do you know how many jobs in 'the industry' depend on good MCN figures? Do you know how intrinsic 'that rag' is to healthy motorcycle sales?
Somehow I think the answer is already before me...
why is it that most of the monthlys get test rides on the new bikes before mcn nowadays??
why is it mcn's advertising revenue has gone down 40% in the past 2 years??
how can it be that there sales figures have dropped just over 30% this year alone??
all because of the fact that the modern mcn is inclined to bend the truth as well as making up stories, as well as having poor writing and test staff nowadays, there sport reporting is hilarious, they like to blow the slightest things out of all proportion.
but either way, obviously you will contest all of these points and continue to sing its praises.
sorry, i must go, i have to use mcn as toilet rag this morning. oh, and ill tell everyone down at honda uk that there job depends on them buying mcn...
I should probably point out in all honesty that I work for MCN's publishing company, but I just wanted to come and clear up a few things which are at best misleading...
Most magazines cover test rides at official launches etc, which are generally available to all magazines at the same time - meaning that it's just publication date that determines who gets things first.
MCN's advertising revenue isn't something I have to hand, but quoting a figure is meaningless unless you quote it in context of the rest of the magazine and print market. But it certainly hasn't gone down by that much.
By the same token, the sales figures haven't dropped by 30% this year alone. In fact, those figures won't even be available to anyone till they've been audited and released as official ABC figures. http://www.abc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gen5
And MCN, like any publication or individual publishing content offline or online is bound by the same laws of libel and defamation etc. If MCN's articles were always bending the truth or made-up, they would result in court cases - just as happens to any other publication.
Aside from Michael Neeves, the test team in fact has lots of experience on monthly titles...Trev Franklin has been riding motorcycles for years, Adam Child previously worked for the likes of Fast Bikes etc.
And whether or not we're representing the topics in sport in the right proportions is always open to debate, but we've got some of the most well-respected sports reporters with incredible access to riders and teams...
I'm not trying to make anyone like or buy MCN - whether or not you like it or buy it is down to you...But I do want to make sure that people are able to discuss it with the most informed knowledge about what they're talking about...
rhinochopig said:
AdeTuono said:
rhinochopig said:
AdeTuono said:
rhinochopig said:
I read the article in MCN on this bike with interest. TBH I cannot see the point in this bike at all, It seems a pointless exercise. It doesn't make any more power than a litre in-line four. It's bound to cost more than the VFR it replaces. MCN's artist impression doesn't look particularly pretty (although obviously this may not be a fair representation). What do you guys think?
To my mind the V5 should have been fitted to a Desmodicci [sp?] rival. Granted the NR750 didn't sell well, but times have changed and Ducati have proved that an exclusive GP influenced bike will sell.
You're absolutely right. What the hell are Honda thinking of? Why would we want to buy anything with new innovations, updates and more power? They keep improving models and expect us to buy them. They should have just left things as they were with the CB750 back in '72. There was nothing wrong with that. And why do manufacturers insist on selling bikes in different colours. It only makes it difficult to choose. Now, if they were all black....To my mind the V5 should have been fitted to a Desmodicci [sp?] rival. Granted the NR750 didn't sell well, but times have changed and Ducati have proved that an exclusive GP influenced bike will sell.
You were joking, right?
If you'd actually bothered to read past the second line you'd have realised that I was not criticising innovation on Honda's part, mainly suggesting that there was perhaps a better application for race derived engine than a touring bike.
I was merely responding to your comments that the bike is a pointless excercise. I would suggest that the new bike is far from a pointless exercise, given that the RC45 also used the engine from a 'touring' bike. Maybe they've got plans for a new WSB bike? I don't know. I'm sure a company such as Honda know what they're doing, whatever you may think. FWIW, this could be the first Honda that I'd be tempted by for many years.
Hope this hasn't offended you. You're obviously a delicate little flower.
given my height and weight, a delicate little flower is not the first thing that would spring to mind in describing me.Anyway, you hit the nail on the hid with the RC analogy. I would have thought that a V5 would have been fitted into an RC bike first before it goes into a tourer as has been Honda's tradition. When I wrote the post, MCN reported that Honda would not be making a V5 GP rep, which to my mind makes their proposed bike a bit pointless. Craig seems to suggest otherwise, which is a good thing.
The reason the old VFR was so successful was that it was a good compromise between sports bike and tourer. If you wanted more speed, you opted for the Blackbird. If you wanted better handling, you bought a blade. The VFR sat happily in between the two and offered a useful amount of power, but not excessive.
The new bike is likely to be more expensive to buy and own and it's power puts it too close to the Blackbird. If you want a 150bhp tourer, the chances are you'd want more if it was available and buy a Blackbird instead. That leaves Blade owners as a possible market, but it won't handle as well as a blade. Couple this to it costing more (probably) than both and I cannot see the market for it.
However, if you were to fit into a sharp handling, lightweight chassis with GP looks and give 180-190 bhp and sell it for 1098 money, then I could see them selling by the bucket load. It would also reduce the unit costs for the engine which would make the VFR V5 cheaper.
This may be Honda's approach, if Craig is correct in his suggestion.
One final thing, Honda don't always know what they're doing. They are a brilliant engineering company but don't always get it right - NR750 and their 500cc 4 stroke racer to name but two.
Its time for the K12S to go but the way BMW are at the mo and not incentiving any new purchases I may look else where or wait for the new K13S. There's also a rumour that the Blackbird is having a facelift so maybe thats why they are upping the spec of the VFR. Problem is there is going to be too much choice 
, god I hate choice. On the plus side I reckon that there will need to be lots of test ride days!!castrolcraig said:
well there not at honda uk but in the workshops at louth with us, depends what year and what parts you want and how much you are willing to spend, but yes, i can get some for you.
2007 model, to tell the truth there isnt a lot of point in me getting a load of HRC bits for one as i use it mostly as a road bike and theres no point going into extensive engine tuning, i would be intrested in getting a full system for it though and would be very intrested to know what quickshifter setup etc they use on them.badgergravling said:
castrolcraig said:
DBRacingGod said:
Regardless of the facts of this case, I love it when folk call MCN (or anything else for that matter) the 'least respected rag of the industry'.
Dear Sir, do you even know what you're talking about? Do you know how much money MCN generates? Do you know how many jobs in 'the industry' depend on good MCN figures? Do you know how intrinsic 'that rag' is to healthy motorcycle sales?
Somehow I think the answer is already before me...
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha please tell me that your regular job is a stand up comedian, if not then you really do beleive the mcn sales parp!!Dear Sir, do you even know what you're talking about? Do you know how much money MCN generates? Do you know how many jobs in 'the industry' depend on good MCN figures? Do you know how intrinsic 'that rag' is to healthy motorcycle sales?
Somehow I think the answer is already before me...
why is it that most of the monthlys get test rides on the new bikes before mcn nowadays??
why is it mcn's advertising revenue has gone down 40% in the past 2 years??
how can it be that there sales figures have dropped just over 30% this year alone??
all because of the fact that the modern mcn is inclined to bend the truth as well as making up stories, as well as having poor writing and test staff nowadays, there sport reporting is hilarious, they like to blow the slightest things out of all proportion.
but either way, obviously you will contest all of these points and continue to sing its praises.
sorry, i must go, i have to use mcn as toilet rag this morning. oh, and ill tell everyone down at honda uk that there job depends on them buying mcn...
I should probably point out in all honesty that I work for MCN's publishing company, but I just wanted to come and clear up a few things which are at best misleading...
Most magazines cover test rides at official launches etc, which are generally available to all magazines at the same time - meaning that it's just publication date that determines who gets things first.
MCN's advertising revenue isn't something I have to hand, but quoting a figure is meaningless unless you quote it in context of the rest of the magazine and print market. But it certainly hasn't gone down by that much.
By the same token, the sales figures haven't dropped by 30% this year alone. In fact, those figures won't even be available to anyone till they've been audited and released as official ABC figures. http://www.abc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gen5
And MCN, like any publication or individual publishing content offline or online is bound by the same laws of libel and defamation etc. If MCN's articles were always bending the truth or made-up, they would result in court cases - just as happens to any other publication.
Aside from Michael Neeves, the test team in fact has lots of experience on monthly titles...Trev Franklin has been riding motorcycles for years, Adam Child previously worked for the likes of Fast Bikes etc.
And whether or not we're representing the topics in sport in the right proportions is always open to debate, but we've got some of the most well-respected sports reporters with incredible access to riders and teams...
I'm not trying to make anyone like or buy MCN - whether or not you like it or buy it is down to you...But I do want to make sure that people are able to discuss it with the most informed knowledge about what they're talking about...
The VFR V5 story is founded on nothing more than hearsay. I've heard several times from various sources that Honda have built a V5 roadbike and it's sat in their R&D department, along with other turbocharged, supercharged and even big bore two stroke exotica that'll never see the light of day.
MCN have, once again, misled their readers with a Photoshop office farce.
Craig, with the greatest of respect, you're brim full of it. Some people love to suck down that anti-MCN stuff like milk from their mama's tit - I ain't one of 'em. 140k+ read it every week, with another four times that claimed to sneak a free read from their mate/dealer. That's why Honda's jobs, like the rest of the industry depend on healthy MCN figures.
I don't give a fish's tit about the relevance or veracity of a V5 VFR - but the fact this thread has generated as much interest as it has says that even if they have the scantest of facts MCN were right to run the story.
But when it comes to scant facts you don't seem to be lacking your own, either - sales down 30% this year? Cobblers. Ad revenues down 40% in the last two years? Where did you get that 'fact' from? Your mate down the breakers? Don't forget, where else are the dealers going to advertise? Motorcycle Sport and Leisure? Motorcycle Racer? Twist & Go? Behave yourself. And, where, oh where, are these first rides appearing if not in MCN? In your dreams? Pull your pants up and take your thumb out of your mouth, sonny.
I don't give a fish's tit about the relevance or veracity of a V5 VFR - but the fact this thread has generated as much interest as it has says that even if they have the scantest of facts MCN were right to run the story.
But when it comes to scant facts you don't seem to be lacking your own, either - sales down 30% this year? Cobblers. Ad revenues down 40% in the last two years? Where did you get that 'fact' from? Your mate down the breakers? Don't forget, where else are the dealers going to advertise? Motorcycle Sport and Leisure? Motorcycle Racer? Twist & Go? Behave yourself. And, where, oh where, are these first rides appearing if not in MCN? In your dreams? Pull your pants up and take your thumb out of your mouth, sonny.
DBRacingGod said:
Craig, with the greatest of respect, you're brim full of it. Some people love to suck down that anti-MCN stuff like milk from their mama's tit - I ain't one of 'em. 140k+ read it every week, with another four times that claimed to sneak a free read from their mate/dealer. That's why Honda's jobs, like the rest of the industry depend on healthy MCN figures.
I don't give a fish's tit about the relevance or veracity of a V5 VFR - but the fact this thread has generated as much interest as it has says that even if they have the scantest of facts MCN were right to run the story.
But when it comes to scant facts you don't seem to be lacking your own, either - sales down 30% this year? Cobblers. Ad revenues down 40% in the last two years? Where did you get that 'fact' from? Your mate down the breakers? Don't forget, where else are the dealers going to advertise? Motorcycle Sport and Leisure? Motorcycle Racer? Twist & Go? Behave yourself. And, where, oh where, are these first rides appearing if not in MCN? In your dreams? Pull your pants up and take your thumb out of your mouth, sonny.
Interesting response, if a little OTT. Speculation over new models has been around since motorcycling began and although I'm all for unearthing stories about potential machines in the pipeline I, and I think this counts for many, object to being misled with headlines like: 'World Exclusive Pictures' and 'We reveal Honda's new VFR' - because it simply isn't the case. It's misleading readers who've lashed out their £1.90 only to find they've been conned. Frankly, it's dishonest and we deserve to be treated like adults, not idiots.
I don't give a fish's tit about the relevance or veracity of a V5 VFR - but the fact this thread has generated as much interest as it has says that even if they have the scantest of facts MCN were right to run the story.
But when it comes to scant facts you don't seem to be lacking your own, either - sales down 30% this year? Cobblers. Ad revenues down 40% in the last two years? Where did you get that 'fact' from? Your mate down the breakers? Don't forget, where else are the dealers going to advertise? Motorcycle Sport and Leisure? Motorcycle Racer? Twist & Go? Behave yourself. And, where, oh where, are these first rides appearing if not in MCN? In your dreams? Pull your pants up and take your thumb out of your mouth, sonny.
Interesting response, if a little OTT. Speculation over new models has been around since motorcycling began and although I'm all for unearthing stories about potential machines in the pipeline I, and I think this counts for many, object to being misled with headlines like: 'World Exclusive Pictures' and 'We reveal Honda's new VFR' - because it simply isn't the case. It's misleading readers who've lashed out their £1.90 only to find they've been conned. Frankly, it's dishonest and we deserve to be treated like adults, not idiots.
TJS1968 said:
DBRacingGod said:
Craig, with the greatest of respect, you're brim full of it. Some people love to suck down that anti-MCN stuff like milk from their mama's tit - I ain't one of 'em. 140k+ read it every week, with another four times that claimed to sneak a free read from their mate/dealer. That's why Honda's jobs, like the rest of the industry depend on healthy MCN figures.
I don't give a fish's tit about the relevance or veracity of a V5 VFR - but the fact this thread has generated as much interest as it has says that even if they have the scantest of facts MCN were right to run the story.
But when it comes to scant facts you don't seem to be lacking your own, either - sales down 30% this year? Cobblers. Ad revenues down 40% in the last two years? Where did you get that 'fact' from? Your mate down the breakers? Don't forget, where else are the dealers going to advertise? Motorcycle Sport and Leisure? Motorcycle Racer? Twist & Go? Behave yourself. And, where, oh where, are these first rides appearing if not in MCN? In your dreams? Pull your pants up and take your thumb out of your mouth, sonny.
Interesting response, if a little OTT. Speculation over new models has been around since motorcycling began and although I'm all for unearthing stories about potential machines in the pipeline I, and I think this counts for many, object to being misled with headlines like: 'World Exclusive Pictures' and 'We reveal Honda's new VFR' - because it simply isn't the case. It's misleading readers who've lashed out their £1.90 only to find they've been conned. Frankly, it's dishonest and we deserve to be treated like adults, not idiots.
I don't give a fish's tit about the relevance or veracity of a V5 VFR - but the fact this thread has generated as much interest as it has says that even if they have the scantest of facts MCN were right to run the story.
But when it comes to scant facts you don't seem to be lacking your own, either - sales down 30% this year? Cobblers. Ad revenues down 40% in the last two years? Where did you get that 'fact' from? Your mate down the breakers? Don't forget, where else are the dealers going to advertise? Motorcycle Sport and Leisure? Motorcycle Racer? Twist & Go? Behave yourself. And, where, oh where, are these first rides appearing if not in MCN? In your dreams? Pull your pants up and take your thumb out of your mouth, sonny.
Interesting response, if a little OTT. Speculation over new models has been around since motorcycling began and although I'm all for unearthing stories about potential machines in the pipeline I, and I think this counts for many, object to being misled with headlines like: 'World Exclusive Pictures' and 'We reveal Honda's new VFR' - because it simply isn't the case. It's misleading readers who've lashed out their £1.90 only to find they've been conned. Frankly, it's dishonest and we deserve to be treated like adults, not idiots.
anonymous said:
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thanks for that dbr, your irregular rants do make me chuckle, in fact when i showed this to some other chaps they read the whole thread and decided you are a weapons grade cock end.anyway i have to go, its raining and were still setting up at cadwell.
yours, craig, the person who knows nothing and has his thumb up his arse.
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