By the looks of it he got what he deserved

[Dibble]

Stu R said:

as an aside the bike sounded ace on the video, reminded me of super hang-on on the spectrum or something

That's more likely to be electrical interference on the video tape, rather than actual engine noise... You knew that didn't you, and I've just shown my arse?

[King Herald]

I find it totally ridiculous that the cop followed him so closely, doing the same stupid tricks mile after mile. They can't tell us it was just to get film evidence, surely?

If it was too dangerous to stop the guy, why follow him taking all the same risks?

I must admit, I used to ride a lot like that, many years ago, but the roads were generally a lot quieter 'back in the day'.

[Monochrome]

So where do i sign up for the police then.

[black-k1]

I too think that the riding style of the ‘perp’ was dangerous and he needed to get pulled. I’m not sure why they didn’t even attempt to stop him earlier or simply record the number then nick him at home later, but I’m sure the police had their reasons.

There are times in the police video when some of the police bike maneuvers appear to be decidedly dodgy. I take dibbles points about the zoom and positioning of the camera but had Joe Public posted that video onto Youtube then I would not be at all surprised if they were nicked for dangerous driving. I can fully understand the requirement for the police bike to speed in order to keep up but speeding is not dangerous driving.

[hugoagogo]

Fire99 said:

Another biker who is giving the public another negetive perception of bikers

and now every car driver they went past is moaning about the two bikers that were clearly racing each other

[catso]

hugoagogo said:

Fire99 said:

Another biker who is giving the public another negetive perception of bikers

and now every car driver they went past is moaning about the two bikers that were clearly racing each other

And how the second one was going even faster at times (to catch up) than the first, as I said before I see two bikes riding fast/dangerous, so all the Police appear to have done here is double the risk and I have no doubt that the biker was at least a little spurred on by having a following biker wanting to 'play'.

A case of boys and their toys me thinks........

[rev-erend]

The persuit seemed very unnecessary.

Some of those moments very very close indeed.

Can't agree with cops doing that at all .. just tail him for 1/2 mile, tape it, pull him. Nick him.

Job done.

Go have another do-nut and wait for the next idiot.

[bordseye]

catso said:

Not condoning the speed etc but I see two bikes doing the same.

Absolutely right.Might be necessary to follow him to get some evidence but not for anything like that length of time.

[Stu R]

Dibble said:

Stu R said:

as an aside the bike sounded ace on the video, reminded me of super hang-on on the spectrum or something

That's more likely to be electrical interference on the video tape, rather than actual engine noise... You knew that didn't you, and I've just shown my arse?

T'was indeed what I was on about, unless some prankster taped a kazoo to his exhaust

[Rach*]

Monochrome said:

So where do i sign up for the police then.

ME TOO! Except I'm thick as mince and it took me 7+ mins to work out the bobby was on a bike too

Had a chuckle at the "not confident on corners or in the wet" comment.
Also agree that a young lad with a blade (recent purchase of the BIB?) on his tail is more likely to ride like a tt. He really was riding like a tt!

IMO there is no excuse for that.

I fell out with a good friend, we passed our tests at the same time, had been so tight for ages, he went off on his RR 120+ in his first few weeks, bragging on about it. I refused to ride with him after he left me behind one day and asked one of the older "fast" riders of the club to have a word with him. Not spoken since. I hear him leaving the barracks behind mine, ragging off on cold tyres, just asking for trouble IMHO.

[Monochrome]

I know someone a bit like that, except he's st at cornering. Needless to say his favourite roads are motorways. Funnily enough i don't ride with him anymore.

[Fire99]

catso said:

hugoagogo said:

Fire99 said:

Another biker who is giving the public another negetive perception of bikers

and now every car driver they went past is moaning about the two bikers that were clearly racing each other

And how the second one was going even faster at times (to catch up) than the first, as I said before I see two bikes riding fast/dangerous, so all the Police appear to have done here is double the risk and I have no doubt that the biker was at least a little spurred on by having a following biker wanting to 'play'.

A case of boys and their toys me thinks........

Very good points.. And i agree with Chilli earlier too. The 'persuit' was allowed to go on far too long..
I stand by the fact that the biker doing the speeds he was doing in the 30's and 40's etc which allegedly gave cause for alot of public complaint, instigated the situation..

However i do agree that the Police 'persuit' rider did nothing to help the situation or public opinion either.
And i have to agree most of the actions of the lead bike were replicated by the Police bike, some at even greater speed etc.
It looked too much like some more footage to appear on 'Reality Police' shows.

[dugt]

im not a biker (yet, hopefully one day) but i do use that road a lot, m25 to hastings roughly once a week both ways

they started in hasting and he was arrested in south london
hastings to the m25 is about 40ish miles, the chase definitly didnt need to be that long

where the road goes down to 30, a bit after the part where he says abuot bad cornering, at about 18.3, that road goes down to 20 in the mornings and afternoons as theres a school there on the corner

its probably done the bloke a big favour that he got caught

doug

[SplatSpeed]

0.3 miles is required for a conviction

a lot of other biker forums are berating the police riding

[Rach*]

SplatSpeed said:

0.3 miles is required for a conviction

a lot of other biker forums are berating the police riding

Is that all? I guess ALL that footage let them really throw the book at him. What a nobber.

If it were for example a BiB in a car chasing say joyriders in a Scooby, the chase would never be allowed for that long at those speeds through residential areas, please correct me if I'm wrong, we've all heard on the news in the past about innocents being knocked down during a persuit and the BiB having to answer to charges.
How is it any different because they were on bikes? Why didn't a helicopter track him?

Edited by Rach* on Thursday 2nd October 16:49

[bordseye]

Rach* said:

SplatSpeed said:

0.3 miles is required for a conviction

a lot of other biker forums are berating the police riding

Is that all? I guess ALL that footage let them really throw the book at him. What a nobber.

If it were for example a BiB in a car chasing say joyriders in a Scooby, the chase would never be allowed for that long at those speeds through residential areas, please correct me if I'm wrong, we've all heard on the news in the past about innocents being knocked down during a persuit and the BiB having to answer to charges.
How is it any different because they were on bikes? Why didn't a helicopter track him?

Edited by Rach* on Thursday 2nd October 16:49

It would never get up to those speeds in a scooby. Whilst the guy on the bike was riding at stupid speeds, he didnt take too many other stupid risks and wasnt as great a risk to the public as 4 lads in a souped up saloon trying to do the same would have been. But the chase went on for far too long and my guess is that the copper was enjoying the excitement.

The police bike riding manual warns against the "red mist" or (if you prefer) our inbuilt hunting instinct. Every year it causes accidents in police chases.

[Rach*]

bordseye said:

Rach* said:

SplatSpeed said:

0.3 miles is required for a conviction

a lot of other biker forums are berating the police riding

Is that all? I guess ALL that footage let them really throw the book at him. What a nobber.

If it were for example a BiB in a car chasing say joyriders in a Scooby, the chase would never be allowed for that long at those speeds through residential areas, please correct me if I'm wrong, we've all heard on the news in the past about innocents being knocked down during a persuit and the BiB having to answer to charges.
How is it any different because they were on bikes? Why didn't a helicopter track him?

Edited by Rach* on Thursday 2nd October 16:49

It would never get up to those speeds in a scooby. Whilst the guy on the bike was riding at stupid speeds, he didnt take too many other stupid risks and wasnt as great a risk to the public as 4 lads in a souped up saloon trying to do the same would have been. But the chase went on for far too long and my guess is that the copper was enjoying the excitement.

The police bike riding manual warns against the "red mist" or (if you prefer) our inbuilt hunting instinct. Every year it causes accidents in police chases.

You know what point I'm trying to make though I dunno, doing 90+ through a town seems pretty dangerous to me, I wonder what was going through the guys head, if he did know it was a bobby behind him or just a racer??

[bordseye]

He'd think someone was "racing" him. Or at least thats what I would think in hios place. Stupid I know, but I could never stop myself thinking this way on a bike. Someone in front you had to catch up, someone behind mustnt let him past. And its do bl**dy easy to get carried away weaving in traffic with maybe as much as 1000 bhp/tonne