Derbyshire and Staffordshire Police
Discussion
untruth said:
Right that's fine but generally speaking, any crash which injures someone isn't particularly good. It's not much good riding around like an idiot 'cos it probably won't hurt anyone'. It's worth remembering that crashes are multi vechicle quite a lot of the time, so your veering off the road might cause someone else to crash as a result of being distracted.
Crashes aren't good you're right. But there are varying degrees of crash like hitting someone at 10mph in a traffic jam to having a head on at 90mph before piling into a busy bus stop.I still stand by my point of excessive speed and dangerous driving by a car driver has far more potential to lead to loss of life to innocent bystanders.
StevRS said:
One rule for all vehicles is the sensible way of doing it. If I do, say 100 in my car and 100 on my bike, I've committed the same offense, surely? If that's the case then shouldn't the punishment be the same?
no, or the speedlimits for trucks/coaches would be the same as for cars/bikes. big heavy things are more dangerous than small lighter things when moving & that should be reflected.Beemer-5 said:
Can they legally scrap a brand new bike, costing maybe £20,000, for a traffic offence?
They can issue a section 59 notice twice which would authorise them to seize your vehicle. As this is a particularly nasty bit of legislation there is no legal defence against it and they need no real evidence.On the plus side they must return the vehicle to its legal owner in the event of it being claimed. They can only crush said vehicle in the event of it being unclaimed.
The original idea of the legislation was to take stolen/untaxed and insured vehicles off the hands of young ruffians, it was never intended to be use to part somebody from their own legally held vehicle. But it was so poorly written with no safe guards that the police are using it to threaten drivers who drive legal vehicles and have been found guilty of no crime.
Hooli said:
StevRS said:
One rule for all vehicles is the sensible way of doing it. If I do, say 100 in my car and 100 on my bike, I've committed the same offense, surely? If that's the case then shouldn't the punishment be the same?
no, or the speedlimits for trucks/coaches would be the same as for cars/bikes. big heavy things are more dangerous than small lighter things when moving & that should be reflected.I'd like to see some common sense perhaps around driver experience though - If a 17 year old is doing 120mph he's probably less capable of handling his Corsa at that speed than someone who's had a license 10 years and should perhaps be punished more severely - very difficult to impliment and get right though. That said, I'd like to see advanced driving tests mandatory within 1-2 years of obtaining main license - that way we wouldn't need speed limits.
Or even just a retake the standard test every few years. While I accept there's a lot of people who drive more carefully to get through the teat, and then go out and drive like a t
t again, there's a lot of people out there who really haven't got a clue what they're doing behind the wheel.
t again, there's a lot of people out there who really haven't got a clue what they're doing behind the wheel.RizzoTheRat said:
Or even just a retake the standard test every few years. While I accept there's a lot of people who drive more carefully to get through the teat, and then go out and drive like a tt again, there's a lot of people out there who really haven't got a clue what they're doing behind the wheel.
Or lifetime bans dished out to anyone who pisses me off!!!t again, there's a lot of people out there who really haven't got a clue what they're doing behind the wheel.Edited by StevRS on Sunday 26th October 10:03
Talksteer said:
Beemer-5 said:
Can they legally scrap a brand new bike, costing maybe £20,000, for a traffic offence?
They can issue a section 59 notice twice which would authorise them to seize your vehicle. As this is a particularly nasty bit of legislation there is no legal defence against it and they need no real evidence.On the plus side they must return the vehicle to its legal owner in the event of it being claimed. They can only crush said vehicle in the event of it being unclaimed.
The original idea of the legislation was to take stolen/untaxed and insured vehicles off the hands of young ruffians, it was never intended to be use to part somebody from their own legally held vehicle. But it was so poorly written with no safe guards that the police are using it to threaten drivers who drive legal vehicles and have been found guilty of no crime.
Isn't this something the police politically correct management ought to be halting?
mybrainhurts said:
In other words the police are abusing their powers.
Isn't this something the police politically correct management ought to be halting?
i seem to remember the law was to protect us and the police to serve us.Isn't this something the police politically correct management ought to be halting?
or did I read that wrong and instead it meant they all want to rob us blind whilst letting the real crims do whatever they like?
StevRS said:
Hooli said:
StevRS said:
One rule for all vehicles is the sensible way of doing it. If I do, say 100 in my car and 100 on my bike, I've committed the same offense, surely? If that's the case then shouldn't the punishment be the same?
no, or the speedlimits for trucks/coaches would be the same as for cars/bikes. big heavy things are more dangerous than small lighter things when moving & that should be reflected.I'd like to see some common sense perhaps around driver experience though - If a 17 year old is doing 120mph he's probably less capable of handling his Corsa at that speed than someone who's had a license 10 years and should perhaps be punished more severely - very difficult to impliment and get right though. That said, I'd like to see advanced driving tests mandatory within 1-2 years of obtaining main license - that way we wouldn't need speed limits.
DG - i've slipped to your side of the fence after recent experiences with the filth, your exactly right with what you say.
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