After looking at a bike mag, i have to ask. '09 Fireblade ..
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I meant Craig, more that you seem to trust bikes which have been crashed and repaired/raced, etc. more than most.
Just about nobody said they would buy an ex raced and crashed bike on the other thread.
If you took 2 bikes, both say, 2007 Honda CBR600RR, which bike would 99% of people buy?
The one with one owner, 5,000 miles and fHsh. Never been dropped or damaged. £5500.
The other, 3,800 miles, ex racing school, four times crashed and repaired, £5000.
Just about nobody said they would buy an ex raced and crashed bike on the other thread.
If you took 2 bikes, both say, 2007 Honda CBR600RR, which bike would 99% of people buy?
The one with one owner, 5,000 miles and fHsh. Never been dropped or damaged. £5500.
The other, 3,800 miles, ex racing school, four times crashed and repaired, £5000.
castrolcraig said:
Stu R said:
I did fancy a superstock, but a couple of the lads on hooners warned me off with a couple of horror stories of maintenance and expensive rebuilds 
really, thats seriously untrue, as you now my old boy runs kennys 07 zx10r, and all it requires is maintenance as per the manual, no more than the road bikes.7999 for a 2008 zx10r with ohlins rear, ktec front, stringer motor, akro systems, spares package.
ultimate vfm.
I'm not saying that all ex race bikes are a bad proposition, but most of them are from my experience.
Oh BTW, I see your Honda blinkers are still well and truly in place.
still in place eh??
hmmm thats why the nc went and replaced.....with a kawasaki.
id be interested to now what you mean by pain in the ass, as nearly all of the bsb and bsstk kwaks have been the most reliable on the grid, and also what spec of them is, if there being used by the less sympathetic and not maintained properly then i am not surprised they give them trouble, after all, not everyones got a fully equipped workshop and a good supply of consumables.
hmmm thats why the nc went and replaced.....with a kawasaki.
id be interested to now what you mean by pain in the ass, as nearly all of the bsb and bsstk kwaks have been the most reliable on the grid, and also what spec of them is, if there being used by the less sympathetic and not maintained properly then i am not surprised they give them trouble, after all, not everyones got a fully equipped workshop and a good supply of consumables.
castrolcraig said:
still in place eh??
hmmm thats why the nc went and replaced.....with a kawasaki.
id be interested to now what you mean by pain in the ass, as nearly all of the bsb and bsstk kwaks have been the most reliable on the grid, and also what spec of them is, if there being used by the less sympathetic and not maintained properly then i am not surprised they give them trouble, after all, not everyones got a fully equipped workshop and a good supply of consumables.
Shat it's gearbox on it's first outing iirc.hmmm thats why the nc went and replaced.....with a kawasaki.
id be interested to now what you mean by pain in the ass, as nearly all of the bsb and bsstk kwaks have been the most reliable on the grid, and also what spec of them is, if there being used by the less sympathetic and not maintained properly then i am not surprised they give them trouble, after all, not everyones got a fully equipped workshop and a good supply of consumables.
castrolcraig said:
still in place eh??
hmmm thats why the nc went and replaced.....with a kawasaki.
id be interested to now what you mean by pain in the ass, as nearly all of the bsb and bsstk kwaks have been the most reliable on the grid, and also what spec of them is, if there being used by the less sympathetic and not maintained properly then i am not surprised they give them trouble, after all, not everyones got a fully equipped workshop and a good supply of consumables.
I was going too mention the Kawasaki thing but I didn't want too come across as being bhmmm thats why the nc went and replaced.....with a kawasaki.
id be interested to now what you mean by pain in the ass, as nearly all of the bsb and bsstk kwaks have been the most reliable on the grid, and also what spec of them is, if there being used by the less sympathetic and not maintained properly then i am not surprised they give them trouble, after all, not everyones got a fully equipped workshop and a good supply of consumables.
hy, you know, you're dad has bough a Kwack so you've bought one, so they're the next best thing too sliced bread next too a Honda. 
I don't know the ins and outs of who owned the bike before him, but they had been, according too the previous owner well maintained and too look at them you wouldn't think otherwise, the ex BSB bike came with 16.5 inch rims and all the other stuff that comes with an ex race bike.
You've hit the nail on the head as regards the fully kitted workshop though and that's one of the reasons I wouldn't recommend buying an ex race bike.
I've owned them myself in the past and know how much effort they can take too maintain.
Edited by Biker's Nemesis on Sunday 25th January 23:23
Biker's Nemesis said:
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You've hit the nail on the head as regards the fully kitted workshop though and that's one of the reasons I wouldn't recommend buying an ex race bike.
I've owned them myself in the past and know how much effort they can take too maintain.
see thats where knowing someone with a fully kitted workshop and access to kit parts comes in handy.....You've hit the nail on the head as regards the fully kitted workshop though and that's one of the reasons I wouldn't recommend buying an ex race bike.
I've owned them myself in the past and know how much effort they can take too maintain.
Edited by Biker's Nemesis on Sunday 25th January 23:23
Love the new blade, will get one soon. Got a gsxr k5 thou, lookin to replace this year. Had a look at all the bikes at nec, my views are, kwak...all angles,mirrors are hideous,nothing flows about it, suzuk....going backwards to the k5,in every respect, yam.....ride that for a euro trip then spend three weeks diggin insects out of that stupid headlight design, who thought that one up, blade......compact,in the flesh very nice, its just the most streamlined and well put together for me.
All the others are getting sticky out bits and angles and tryin too hard, blade is just a blade but in my mind the best.
I know these are purely aesthetic views, have ridden two of the new ones but thats another post.
All the others are getting sticky out bits and angles and tryin too hard, blade is just a blade but in my mind the best.
I know these are purely aesthetic views, have ridden two of the new ones but thats another post.
Beemer-5 said:
The bottom line is that they are all around £10K.
The same as they were 10 years ago.
We have never had so much performance and technology and handling and braking for so LITTLE money.
At £10K, the Yamaha is a steal.
As is the Honda!
Totally disagree on this one.. If we had skipped from 10 years ago to now then i could see youre point but we have had 9/10's of all the above available for the past couple of years for sometimes under 8k.The same as they were 10 years ago.
We have never had so much performance and technology and handling and braking for so LITTLE money.
At £10K, the Yamaha is a steal.
As is the Honda!
It's also debatable whether the '09 bikes are gonna feel a whole lot better than an '08 to the average buyer. (For example i prefer a K6 Gixxer 1000 to a K7)
For someone who have become accustomed to top-end superbike prices over the past few years £10k is a whole lotta cash..
Well, let the numbers speak for themselves, on this one.
Bikes have never been such good value, i can assure you.
I have been buying them, often brand new, for 36 years and have always taken an interest in bike prices, both official and import.
I paid almost £10K for my new R1 in 2002, in 1999 i seem to remember the big 4 Japenese litre bikes being around £9K.
Average earnings have risen by around 30% in the last 10 years, whilst superbike prices have risen by 10% maximum.
In some cases, bikes are now available cheaper than they were 12 years ago!
Go back further and my 1978 Suzuki GS1000 cost me £2000, which was very nearly a year's wages for me then.
A GSXR1000, a MUCH better bike, by about a zillion percent, remember, costs £9,000 and the same job i did then now pays around £26,000 a year.
In my father's day of his Vincent Black Shadow and BSA Gokld Star DBD34, they cost hime around 2 year's income.
Trust me, take into account the near race-performance and handling we've got and the braking and handling we have now, the quality, the modern design wonders, etc., and you get the best and cheapest bikes we've ever known.
£9,000 buys you a brand new bikw which will bother the guy who just spent £300,000 on his Zonda.
Awesome.
Bikes have never been such good value, i can assure you.
I have been buying them, often brand new, for 36 years and have always taken an interest in bike prices, both official and import.
I paid almost £10K for my new R1 in 2002, in 1999 i seem to remember the big 4 Japenese litre bikes being around £9K.
Average earnings have risen by around 30% in the last 10 years, whilst superbike prices have risen by 10% maximum.
In some cases, bikes are now available cheaper than they were 12 years ago!
Go back further and my 1978 Suzuki GS1000 cost me £2000, which was very nearly a year's wages for me then.
A GSXR1000, a MUCH better bike, by about a zillion percent, remember, costs £9,000 and the same job i did then now pays around £26,000 a year.
In my father's day of his Vincent Black Shadow and BSA Gokld Star DBD34, they cost hime around 2 year's income.
Trust me, take into account the near race-performance and handling we've got and the braking and handling we have now, the quality, the modern design wonders, etc., and you get the best and cheapest bikes we've ever known.
£9,000 buys you a brand new bikw which will bother the guy who just spent £300,000 on his Zonda.
Awesome.
Hi Guy's,
Just thought i would throw my 2pence worth into this, on both counts.
I have just ordered a 2009 CBR100RR in Repsol livery. Having never been a great fan of Honda's before, i have to say that in the flesh, the 2009 model is superb IMHO. Not too fussy, nice small behind, and i even like the snub front and exhaust.There are pipes available now which mimic the RC8design, with everything hidden in the bellypan, with just a large slash cut pipe showing through the belly pan. Quite stunning. I think some of the superbikes are getting a tad cartoonish with their exagerated nose sections and huge cans. The Blade looks quite clean and minimalist, which i do like.It is also a phenomenal performer. Size wise, it is tiny, like a 600, dead light and with (for me) perfect ergo's. i can happily trundle around for 300 miles without issue, or happily cane it around Kyalami on a track day. And the finish is superb, which i must say is something Suzuki could take a lesson on.
Now to set the scene, i am a Brit living in Johannesburg, SA. Biking is huge here, due to the fantastic climate, and the phenomenal roads. However, bike prices are bizarre to say the least. The Blade is costing me the equivalent of £8600 on the road. Adding in some bits, like tail tidy, pillion cover and higher screen is bringing the price to £8900, and thats from an official Honda dealer. However, the Ducati 848 is the equivalent of £12700 here!! quite why no one can tell me, but when a stock 848 cost nearly as much as a 1098S, things are not right.
So in real terms, bikes are cheaper than they have ever been, especially when you consider the performance & technology that is going into them. i think though, £10K seems to be a pysclogical barrier to people.
Steve
Just thought i would throw my 2pence worth into this, on both counts.
I have just ordered a 2009 CBR100RR in Repsol livery. Having never been a great fan of Honda's before, i have to say that in the flesh, the 2009 model is superb IMHO. Not too fussy, nice small behind, and i even like the snub front and exhaust.There are pipes available now which mimic the RC8design, with everything hidden in the bellypan, with just a large slash cut pipe showing through the belly pan. Quite stunning. I think some of the superbikes are getting a tad cartoonish with their exagerated nose sections and huge cans. The Blade looks quite clean and minimalist, which i do like.It is also a phenomenal performer. Size wise, it is tiny, like a 600, dead light and with (for me) perfect ergo's. i can happily trundle around for 300 miles without issue, or happily cane it around Kyalami on a track day. And the finish is superb, which i must say is something Suzuki could take a lesson on.
Now to set the scene, i am a Brit living in Johannesburg, SA. Biking is huge here, due to the fantastic climate, and the phenomenal roads. However, bike prices are bizarre to say the least. The Blade is costing me the equivalent of £8600 on the road. Adding in some bits, like tail tidy, pillion cover and higher screen is bringing the price to £8900, and thats from an official Honda dealer. However, the Ducati 848 is the equivalent of £12700 here!! quite why no one can tell me, but when a stock 848 cost nearly as much as a 1098S, things are not right.
So in real terms, bikes are cheaper than they have ever been, especially when you consider the performance & technology that is going into them. i think though, £10K seems to be a pysclogical barrier to people.
Steve
Well put.
The simplest comparison for me, is ten years ago, when the bikes were £9K to £10K. But not nearly as good.
They still are £9K to £10K, or thereabouts.
The prices have barely moved.
See if labour rates at the BMW dealer are the same as they were 10 years ago, or if that house extension's the same price!
A MacDonalds Cheeseburger has gone up by 27% in that time, as a comparison!
The simplest comparison for me, is ten years ago, when the bikes were £9K to £10K. But not nearly as good.
They still are £9K to £10K, or thereabouts.
The prices have barely moved.
See if labour rates at the BMW dealer are the same as they were 10 years ago, or if that house extension's the same price!
A MacDonalds Cheeseburger has gone up by 27% in that time, as a comparison!
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