RE: PH2: E-Bike Races To Podium

RE: PH2: E-Bike Races To Podium

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Dontlift

9,396 posts

257 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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scubadude said:
everyone can enjoy fuel cell powered electric vehicles.
Enjoy you say...

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

tonym911

16,411 posts

204 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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Luddite alert! biggrin

RemaL

24,967 posts

233 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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Dontlift said:
scubadude said:
everyone can enjoy fuel cell powered electric vehicles.
Enjoy you say...

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
agreed BUT Fusion power is interesting and we NEED POWER

Dontlift

9,396 posts

257 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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RemaL said:
Dontlift said:
scubadude said:
everyone can enjoy fuel cell powered electric vehicles.
Enjoy you say...

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
agreed BUT Fusion power is interesting and we NEED POWER
Warp Drive....

Oh forgot the Blackbird already has it biggrin

ellisd82

685 posts

207 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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Quite heavy and its amazing how quiet they are. I would not have one on the road for safety reasons. People don't see me so I make sure they hear me. You will have pedestrians walking out infront of you all the time on an Elec bike. Although not silent in the least, they are an uncommon sound and will most likley be ignored, though some may hear and think "what the...?"
All the same, Can't beat the sound of a decent engine and exaust note.

Dontlift

9,396 posts

257 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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ellisd82 said:
Quite heavy and its amazing how quiet they are. I would not have one on the road for safety reasons. People don't see me so I make sure they hear me. You will have pedestrians walking out infront of you all the time on an Elec bike. Although not silent in the least, they are an uncommon sound and will most likley be ignored, though some may hear and think "what the...?"
All the same, Can't beat the sound of a decent engine and exaust note.
Forward facing speakers playing "ride of the valkeries" with the volume turned up to 11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz3Cc7wlfkI

Fleegle

16,688 posts

175 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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scubadude said:
The problem with electricity is just the recharge time, performance and range should be able to match and exceed IC easily with developement (this bike was clearly no slouch!)- remember how far behind electric transport is compares to IC!
the bike may have been no slouch but we all know what happened to the Hare! That particular bike would not be any good in an Endurance race.

I know they have to start somewhere, but maybe the time would be better spent (and the money)on developing the range and the reduced charging time to make electric cars a viable proposition for those who have more than a 50 mile range to cover each day.

As for your comment on electricity being Greener and Cheaper than petrol or deisel, it may well be, but it is highly irrelevant if I have 200 miles a day to cover!

Thurbs

2,780 posts

221 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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Mr Gear said:
"So are we going to see electric superbikes on the road? Not for a long time I'd imagine."

You'd imagine wrong then. http://www.mavizen.com/TTX02.html

Built in the UK too.
+2

From California... http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/


Dontlift

9,396 posts

257 months

Monday 17th January 2011
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Mr Gear said:
"So are we going to see electric superbikes on the road? Not for a long time I'd imagine."

You'd imagine wrong then. http://www.mavizen.com/TTX02.html

Built in the UK too.
yes at £26k for the basic bike without the extras needed to make it road going they will sell like hot cakes biggrin

Edited by Dontlift on Monday 17th January 21:03

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 18th January 2011
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Mr Gear said:
The fairest way to compare them is let both vehicles start the race with the same amount of energy on board... petrol or electric can be measured in joules. Although I have a feeling this would give the electric bike a HUGE advantage given that they don't waste anywhere near as much energy in heat etc. wink
gasoline 45mJ/kg
LiPo (at current mean dev) 600kJ/kg

hence gasoline has approx 75x bettery energy density

18 litres of gasoline (typical bike capacity) = 632mJ !! (approx 14 kg)

TT electic race bike had 12.5kWh battery = 45mJ (approx 75kg)


gasoline bike would only need 1.3kg of fuel to match the electic bikes energy capacity.


BUT yes, if the idea was to get the furthest on the energy was the idea, the electric bike would eventually get the farthest (due to its higher overall efficiency) (although technically, we need to include the battery charging losses too (as you don't tend to loose much energy between filler nozzle and tank with gasoline (unless you're a poor shot with the pump nozzle lol).



FestivAli

1,085 posts

237 months

Tuesday 18th January 2011
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Fleegle said:
Mr Gear said:
"So are we going to see electric superbikes on the road? Not for a long time I'd imagine."

You'd imagine wrong then. http://www.mavizen.com/TTX02.html

Built in the UK too.
Yes, and do you know how much? Lets put it this way, a brand new R1 is a bargain compared to these.

As said before, these are not the way forward.

We are supposed to be looking for a replacement to fossil fuelled vehicles. Pray tell me, how is most of the electricity produced in this country?

Added to that, what about using them to cover a large distance? There was an article on the early BBC news last week where a driver attempted to get from London to Edingburgh in an electric mini - it took him four and a half days!
The argument that electric cars and bikes are going to be charged from Coal doesn't wash at all. In most countries, your electricity company can offer you 100% green elec, that %age of your consumption being bought by your energy provider from Wind, Solar (actually solar is a rubbish way to get power based on efficiency), Hydro, etc etc etc. In England you certainly can, and don't forget aside nuclear is essentially emmissions free too

Fleegle

16,688 posts

175 months

Tuesday 18th January 2011
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FestivAli said:
Fleegle said:
Mr Gear said:
"So are we going to see electric superbikes on the road? Not for a long time I'd imagine."

You'd imagine wrong then. http://www.mavizen.com/TTX02.html

Built in the UK too.
Yes, and do you know how much? Lets put it this way, a brand new R1 is a bargain compared to these.

As said before, these are not the way forward.

We are supposed to be looking for a replacement to fossil fuelled vehicles. Pray tell me, how is most of the electricity produced in this country?

Added to that, what about using them to cover a large distance? There was an article on the early BBC news last week where a driver attempted to get from London to Edingburgh in an electric mini - it took him four and a half days!
The argument that electric cars and bikes are going to be charged from Coal doesn't wash at all. In most countries, your electricity company can offer you 100% green elec, that %age of your consumption being bought by your energy provider from Wind, Solar (actually solar is a rubbish way to get power based on efficiency), Hydro, etc etc etc. In England you certainly can, and don't forget aside nuclear is essentially emmissions free too
Mate, this is the UK. A country with a massive anti-nucleur sentiment (rolleyes), no sun to speak of, and a government (old and new)that lacks balls and initiative. We will never stop burning coal until it runs out!

From a wiki site...figures from 2004 showing how our electricity was produced

gas – 39.93% (0.05% in 1990)
coal – 33.08% (67.22% in 1990)
nuclear – 19.26% (18.97% in 1990)
renewables – 3.55% (0% in 1990)
hydroelectric – 1.10% (2.55% in 1990)
imports – 1.96% (3.85% in 1990)
oil – 1.12% (6.82% in 1990)

Makes glum reading for you lentil eaters.


Ruttager

2,079 posts

191 months

Tuesday 18th January 2011
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I'd love to have a go one one. I think there would be a whole world of difference between the electric and a normal bike both good and bad. If the prices came down they would make superb track bikes and if popularity grew we could see things like new tracks opening up that allow electric machines only (closer to cities and the like. clearly many many moons away but I'll watch with interest.

Just out of curiosity, how much do one of these bikes currently cost?

Fleegle

16,688 posts

175 months

Tuesday 18th January 2011
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You really think these would make good track bikes?? 7 sessions of 20mins – probably means you would be pushing it around in the afternoon. Also, as track bikes tend not to have mirrors, you gauge if someone is close by the noise.

There a bargain at over £25K each

RemaL

24,967 posts

233 months

Tuesday 18th January 2011
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Agree with Trump but in time prices will lower. better ways of having our bikes and cars move with become better and greener

Fusion power bike but thats going to be many many many years away yet.

Ruttager

2,079 posts

191 months

Tuesday 18th January 2011
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As the tech improves so will the batteries. Or they will design a method where you could replace the entire battery pack in 20 mins or so - possibly quicker. The sound is always going to be an issue, especially for someone who has lived a breathed bikes all their lives but I'd still love to have a go on one. I think on the roads the whole sound thing would be dangerous hence the whole track bike thing. However, it doesn't really matter as at 25K there isn't going to be very many takers smile

Dontlift

9,396 posts

257 months

Tuesday 18th January 2011
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Fleegle said:
From a wiki site...figures from 2004 showing how our electricity was produced

gas – 39.93% (0.05% in 1990)
coal – 33.08% (67.22% in 1990)
nuclear – 19.26% (18.97% in 1990)
renewables – 3.55% (0% in 1990)
hydroelectric – 1.10% (2.55% in 1990)
imports – 1.96% (3.85% in 1990)
oil – 1.12% (6.82% in 1990)

Makes glum reading for you lentil eaters.
The problem with wind etc is spinning reserve

The network must have enough spinning reserve in the system to cover wind dropping out of the system (the wind stops blowing) so in order to generate 1Mw of an unstable source i.e. wind power you must also generate the same in spinning reserve from another stable source i.e. nuke

sprinter1050

11,550 posts

226 months

Tuesday 18th January 2011
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Did I read somewhere that this new type of "steel forests" actually failed to generate any significant contribution to the national grid during the Nov/December sustained winter weather ?

Amazing for all the hype, not to mention £squillions we've been conned into throwing at it.

Dontlift

9,396 posts

257 months

Tuesday 18th January 2011
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sprinter1050 said:
Did I read somewhere that this new type of "steel forests" actually failed to generate any significant contribution to the national grid during the Nov/December sustained winter weather ?

Amazing for all the hype, not to mention £squillions we've been conned into throwing at it.
And if it wasnt for all the subsidies then it would not be economically viable to generate electricity from wind, so when your paying your fuel bills next just remember that you have already paid it once in your tax

sprinter1050

11,550 posts

226 months

Tuesday 18th January 2011
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Thanks -I can sleep better at night now winkrolleyes