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Andrew_M

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I commute every day, the same route at the same time. As I pass the stood traffic I alway pass a couple or 3 learners on scooters and a one on a 125. Having been behind them whilst in the car, I know that they sit in the 1/2+ mile tailback for 10 mins. I don't recall being told not to during my CBT, is it personal preference or just not advised?!?!

Steve Evil

9,267 posts

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I think as they're not taught about it, they simply don't do it. I certainly wasn't taught about it throughout my learning process, first time I did it was on the ride back from passing my mod 2 and my instructor just carried straight on past a queue of traffic, so I followed.

morgrp

3,412 posts

84 months

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Sod Learners - Why doesn't anyone in the whole of Norfolk do it?

RemaL

21,570 posts

120 months

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many I know don't do it, I did not do it during my DAS either

Vidal Baboon

9,073 posts

101 months

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Insurance? I could imagine insurance for a Learner Rider company would be pretty pricey, so it may be underwritten into the policy from the start.

Isn't it automatically deemed 50/50 in an accident?
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Dontlift

9,396 posts

144 months

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Vidal Baboon said:
Insurance? I could imagine insurance for a Learner Rider company would be pretty pricey, so it may be underwritten into the policy from the start.

Isn't it automatically deemed 50/50 in an accident?
Guy I work with has just had to accept 100% for a filtering accident, where in reality it was simply the tt in the car didnt look in his mirror before pulling across to the next lane, but because my mate hit him in the side and not the rear he was deemed to be at fault for some reason......

blueg33

13,600 posts

110 months

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Filtering is overtaking and undertaking so surely its at the filterers own risk? especially as cars changing lanes without looking properly is a common event in a traffic queue. IMO some people filter way too fast

Fred Leicester

394 posts

49 months

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morgrp said:
Sod Learners - Why doesn't anyone in the whole of Norfolk do it?
Oi! biggrin

I remember being encouraged to filter, even on my CBT, let alone the DAS.

Agreed though - the amount of people who just sit in traffic is just bizarre. I tend to give them a little wave as I roll past... smile

Edited by Fred Leicester on Tuesday 1st February 11:59

FeatherZ

2,422 posts

82 months

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Me and borismiles (pher) done our DAS together our instructor was cool with us filtering and even overtaking slow moving cars.

toxgobbler

2,640 posts

77 months

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Could just be fear? I'd much rather they didn't rather than do it badly and get in my way.

AndyDRZ

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122 months

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blueg33 said:
Filtering is overtaking and undertaking so surely its at the filterers own risk? especially as cars changing lanes without looking properly is a common event in a traffic queue. IMO some people filter way too fast
Agree that people do filter too fast... but it shouldn't be at own risk as it is allowed in the Highway code:

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Hig...

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... Additionally, when filtering in slow-moving traffic, take care and keep your speed low.







SaltyToe

1,201 posts

45 months

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It was never talked about of shown in any of my training for my licence. I did it as a learner though and frequently passed riders on bigger bikes sat there in the mile long traffic. Surely they must of twigged and try filtering after a piddly 50cc went passed them with L plates plastered all over it?

gr88

150 posts

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Dr Doofenshmirtz

8,419 posts

86 months

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blueg33 said:
Filtering is overtaking and undertaking so surely its at the filterers own risk? especially as cars changing lanes without looking properly is a common event in a traffic queue. IMO some people filter way too fast
The other vehicles have a duty to look were they're going.

Fred Leicester

394 posts

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gr88 said:
No matter how may times I watch that clip, it still frightens the life out of me...

black-k1

6,508 posts

115 months

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I think many learners don't have the confidence in either their machine handling skills or in their observation skills to feel comfortable filtering through traffic.

blueg33

13,600 posts

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Dr Doofenshmirtz said:
The other vehicles have a duty to look were they're going.
I agree, but the motorcyclist is more vulnerable than the bloke in the Rangie so he has to consider it as his risk, despite what the highway code says.

defblade

3,312 posts

99 months

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black-k1 said:
I think many learners don't have the confidence in either their machine handling skills or in their observation skills to feel comfortable filtering through traffic.
This.

Or maybe they're just not in a hurry?

lewis87

292 posts

89 months

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I would never filter on my CG125 when I was a learner because it was a slow bike and the cars would just be stuck behind me as soon as we set off.

Nowadays I almost always filter but sometimes I will happily sit in a queue if I am not in a hurry or don't feel like filtering.

RemaL

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gr88 said:
can't see anything wrong with that

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