have you seen this ebay Viper before??

have you seen this ebay Viper before??

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Dr-Bob

6,629 posts

259 months

Friday 6th February 2015
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The Euro Gen I's had the same Gen I side sills with the black insert but back then side exit was not aloud .. So they converted the cars to rear exit ..

To convert them to side exit was straight forward ..

Remove the side sills cut open the outlets for the turn outs and fit a Roe Racing side exit system or factory side exit system..

93's had the awkward springs up front for the mountings ..

Done quite a few of these over the years..

Leatherman

1,030 posts

225 months

Friday 6th February 2015
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fatboy18 said:
Viper said:
speak to Colin for side exhausts Mark, he's made a few sets over the years
Ordered mine from Autoform, should be here any day now smile Along with a few other bits whistle
Mark, I have a hole cutter of the correct size if you need one

fatboy18

18,930 posts

210 months

Friday 6th February 2015
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Cheers Tony, might need that smile

Respics

7 posts

109 months

Friday 6th February 2015
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Yes, I believe certain European countries such as Switzerland had an issue with the side exhausts and so many of the early European cars came with the rear pipes.
Apparently the side outlets were dropped completely in the later cars around 1997, so many of the later Gen 2's had the rear pipes as standard.

500 RAM

268 posts

216 months

Saturday 7th February 2015
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I have a pair of side exit sills if any body's interested

fatboy18

18,930 posts

210 months

Saturday 7th February 2015
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500 RAM said:
I have a pair of side exit sills if any body's interested
What type of sills? Smooth ones or ones with the black ribbed exhaust pattern on them?

Chipmunk1

1,314 posts

161 months

Saturday 7th February 2015
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Funny how all the tts who were tearing this car apart for no reason have disappeared once the story got put straight !

Let's hope when you lot are trying to sell your own cars some internet warriors don't get together with conspiracy theories when it's already hard enough to sell a car!

Respics

7 posts

109 months

Saturday 7th February 2015
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Could someone please point me in the direction of the 'bad press' for our Viper - I'd like to have a read out of curiosity!

As you will know, once the bonnet (hood) is open on these cars, virtually the whole front end of the chassis can be seen.
In fact, thanks to the after market air filters on this car which removes the large air box, you can see even more than usual of the front section.
It is quite obvious there has been no heavy damage. The fact that the original bonnet (hood) is still fitted to the car should speak volumes.
Apart from the replacement front bumper and the work done for the side exit exhausts the body work panels are all original.

We would appreciate it if anyone wishing to slag the car off would come and view the car beforehand.
There is nothing to cover up, we've been as honest in its description as we can, and we have posted over 100 detailed pictures of the car online (as we do with most of our performance cars) as the last thing we want to do is waste our customers (or our) time.

We never expected this car to sell quickly, in fact the summer was over when we took it on. It's sat in storage under its cover on a battery conditioner having a long sleep, and I'm looking forward to the spring, as if its still here I will be enjoying the V10 around the countryside of Cheshire giving the car a well earned wake up!!

Thank You :0)






fatboy18

18,930 posts

210 months

Saturday 7th February 2015
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Its a Cat D, the Seller has admitted that. No matter how good the repairs this will put SOME people off. No ones saying the cars not OK now? But price need to reflect history, put two like for like cars together, one with accident history, one without, What one would you buy?

In the USA many dealers display the Vin numbers in their advertisements, if you have that a quick search can often bring up all you need to know. Its not foolproof, but I have been on the receiving end of a bad deal and would be willing to help any future owner from not making the mistakes I did.

Having a repaired car is fine, if the owner or company selling the car has full documentation and pictures of the damage then no problem, But without that then you need to be aware of what you are buying.

I don't know everything about these cars but the Viper club is a close community both here and in the USA and there are is also a good historical record of Options available, colours, interiors for the various models of Vipers stored in the clubs database.


A while ago a chap bought a Viper that had been in an accident but it was not disclosed just how bad that accident had been, Without asking (before buying) he then found out the car had been a total write off with heavy fire damage! Its all about making sure that the pricing is fair as this affects all of us.

fatboy18

18,930 posts

210 months

Saturday 7th February 2015
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Respics, Very good of you to come on the forum and explain the details of the car you have for sale thumbup Its Very refreshing to hear the details you have disclosed and I wish you well with the sell.

I would love an early Viper (but have no more garage space) as there is no doubt these are and will be a true classic. In fact we have just been talking about that here : http://driveviper.com/forums/threads/7243-Future-C...

Not the greatest bit of journalism in the article, but you get the drift. People are now starting to buy these Early Vipers as true classic icons.

Once again Good Luck with the sale smile and for the record, Personally I think its a good price for a car with only 26.000 miles.

Edited by fatboy18 on Saturday 7th February 10:08

Respics

7 posts

109 months

Saturday 7th February 2015
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I Couldn't agree more.

I have the HPi report should anyone want a copy and I am more than happy to supply the cars chassis number to any interested party.
At least the damage occurred in the UK and not in Europe where it could have been easily covered up.
As it happens, the viper was actually stationary when it was run into by a taxi driver, hence the small (but potentially expensive) damage.
Had this amount of damage occurred to a BMW etc, it would have been fixed without hesitation.
I'm told that the quote for a new hood from the states was over £10,000 alone at the time (10 years ago) hence the spiralling cost of insurance repairs and the eventual Cat D certification. When The Classic Car Workshop came across the car, they could not believe the car had been listed after such a minor bump hence why they bought it themselves to repair.

With regard to value, the general trade acceptance is that a Cat D car is worth around 25% less than a non listed vehicle (provided the repairs are up to standard)
With 40,000km (25,000 miles) on the clock, we would expect a non listed car to be £30k plus, and we have priced this Viper accordingly.

The car also comes with the private reg, removable side screens and a fitted dust cover.

It will make a great summer toy for someone (and me whilst its here)!

Here's to the Spring! :0)





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Edited by Respics on Saturday 7th February 10:38

Viper

10,005 posts

272 months

Saturday 7th February 2015
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I think at 25K you may struggle to get a bite, it may be a long wait for the right buyer. As Mark mentioned a CatD also no hard top roof (another few thousand) may be enough to put potential buyers off.

Judging by previous sold vipers, RT's don't sell over £30K at the moment maybe in another 10 years or so that may change,
a few GTS's a much better vehicle have sold at 27-31K


fatboy18

18,930 posts

210 months

Saturday 7th February 2015
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Not sure I'm agreeing with all your points there Neil, 10yrs time? I hope prices go up before then!
As for the hard top, well to be honest I would be buying a car like this for its originality, not modding it.
Of course the other Pain with the hard top is you can't remove it if your out on a run and fancy the sun on your head! The factory soft top and Zip windows make the car rather cool in my book. Not for use as a daily driver though smile

Respics

7 posts

109 months

Saturday 7th February 2015
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Hi Viper,

We have had several enquiries on the car, most since the weather turned bad oddly?!
There is some room for negotiation in our asking price but the Owner would prefer to keep the car than give it away for peanuts.
Most enquiries we have had (some from Europe) have had no major issue with the asking price and the fact that we are getting enquiries in the Winter would suggest the asking price is reasonable.
These are not heavily sort after cars, and as you say, it will take time to find the right buyer.
Seeing the car in the flesh, and driving it should put most peoples minds at rest over the history, it just begs to be driven and enjoyed on a summers day!
I've never had so many heads turn as when trundling this car through one of Cheshire's upper class towns, its hilarious!

All the best :0)


Viper

10,005 posts

272 months

Saturday 7th February 2015
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the hard top transforms the car Mark and makes it much more useable, with no roof you freeze on a run even with a hot UK summer, it's not like a merc where the wind is deflected around you, imagine riding your bike without a coat on, good for a 30 min local blast. When was the last time at a club meet you saw an RT with its roof off, or sporting the folding wig ?

the folding roof and polyprop windows are just plain ugly in my eyes, and are best left in the attic smile

viper prices are still dropping, not holding and no sign of increasing yet




Edited by Viper on Saturday 7th February 12:18

fatboy18

18,930 posts

210 months

Saturday 7th February 2015
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Having had the free use of a Gen 1 viper complete with soft top and Zip side windows Back when Keith (you remember) owned one, I can tell you its a hell of a lot better than any Cobra!

People go out and buy Replica Cobras for more monies than this Original Viper, which I find Nuts! Having owned a Dax Cobra replica, I can tell you I would have the Viper any day over one of those. The Viper is more practical, more reliable and is a genuine original factory produced car smile Cobra replicas are only as good as the person that built them, there's a lot of rubbish out there, and you get a roof which is rubbish and many don't even have side windows, not much good in a country renowned for green fields and Rain!

smulli555

54 posts

124 months

Sunday 8th February 2015
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I bought a 95 rt10 last year did not buy it for its practicality as it's not practical it's a factory six speed v10 joy ride. As for values there not a mainstream Ferrari Porsche ect and don't think many people consider them when looking. Ive seen gen 1 stay about the 30 k mark for years and what used to be affordable 308s double in value and air cooled 911going the same way. As fatboy said some kits are rediculase prices, like most of us on this forum I've had many different classic yank, Porsche models and still the viper I will find any excuse to get it on the Tarmac as for winter driving as long as it's not pissing down body warmer on wooly hat heater on full roof off can't beat it. If I'm feeling a bit tender might leave side screens on.

smulli555

54 posts

124 months

Sunday 8th February 2015
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So good I posted it twice . Don't know how that happened.

fatboy18

18,930 posts

210 months

Sunday 8th February 2015
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Well you could always delete one wink