Nomad order - current owner advice
Discussion
Lighty said:
I initially thought no supercharger was a good idea, but I wouldn't be happy thinking it wasn't the fastest possible. It's all about speed for me Iam afraid. I have driven most cars of every type, and was expecting it to be very fast, being so light.
However it was only reasonably fast. I was hoping for "terrifying".
My order went in September 15 , so am now expecting complete toon at the end of the year, or early next.
Cost is a real issue, as the options get stupid, mine is up near £60k , without a few items I would like, bet you could get to £70 k without much trouble, which is insane.
I had a 245 Atom, kept up with a well driven 997 GT3 RS but I did get overtaken by a few cars on track. Fitted the SC, only got overtaken once in 18 months on track, when I ran out of fuel. However it was only reasonably fast. I was hoping for "terrifying".
My order went in September 15 , so am now expecting complete toon at the end of the year, or early next.
Cost is a real issue, as the options get stupid, mine is up near £60k , without a few items I would like, bet you could get to £70 k without much trouble, which is insane.
The SC did ruin the gearbox though, in that the increase in power made changing gear pointless, shame, but if it's an Ariel product, it has to be fast. Expect the Nomad to be the same, sideways should distract me from the lack of need to change gear however.
The reviews are mostly incorrect, the 235 I would guess is a 4.5s to 60 car, the SC is likely 3.3-3.4s to 60. I have dialled back the full off-road tyres to intermediates for fear of killing the tyres soon after collection.
My car is just above £50k without SC, have an M2 on order for next year so something in the short term had to give unfortunately.
4.5s is not Ariel quick, but I've not had a performance car for a year or so now, by the time 4.5s wears off I'll either be a drift god or have the funds to bolt on a SC.
timjhhk said:
As I mentioned before, I ordered mine in early August last year.
I just got mail from Ariel telling me not to expect delivery before "early 2017", anyone who is thinking 9-12 months waiting needs to reset expectations to closer to 16-18 months
Agree.I just got mail from Ariel telling me not to expect delivery before "early 2017", anyone who is thinking 9-12 months waiting needs to reset expectations to closer to 16-18 months
15-18mths should be the expectation
Mine seems to have slipped a week or two (expected from experience), but the chassis is in production from what I can tell, excitement builds!
Annoying when you can see the early dealers collecting and flipping the car.
stormcloud123 said:
When I bought a 245 Atom years ago, the SuperCharger was just over 5k I think on the options list. Ariel policy was that if you wanted a supercharger further down the line then come back and they'll charge you the option list price, which they did, all good.
With the Nomad, the SuperCharger has 2 other parts it needs, an oil cooler and an uprated clutch. So the 5k or so SuperCharger (similar price to Atom SC but different type / model) is now in reality a 7.5k option.
Anyhow, the Atom SC was a few days job (fit and shake down), a week or so to book the job in. I have no mechanical knowledge, but from the turn around time, it's a pretty easy job for them and mostly bolt-on. So I would be disappointed if they could not easily fit it in around Nomad builds, for the time it would take them it looks like easy money. Hence probably why they offer the bring it back and honour option price.
I think the oil cooler is an easy fit, but the clutch is a labour intensive 'engine out' job. So the labour on the clutch is the extra cost you want to avoid, this can be done by adding it to your spec sheet.
Hope that makes some sense.
It does and all really helpful. Tom said that it takes them 4 days but didn't mention how this will work from a scheduling perspective. That assumes you've taken the cooler and clutch already.With the Nomad, the SuperCharger has 2 other parts it needs, an oil cooler and an uprated clutch. So the 5k or so SuperCharger (similar price to Atom SC but different type / model) is now in reality a 7.5k option.
Anyhow, the Atom SC was a few days job (fit and shake down), a week or so to book the job in. I have no mechanical knowledge, but from the turn around time, it's a pretty easy job for them and mostly bolt-on. So I would be disappointed if they could not easily fit it in around Nomad builds, for the time it would take them it looks like easy money. Hence probably why they offer the bring it back and honour option price.
I think the oil cooler is an easy fit, but the clutch is a labour intensive 'engine out' job. So the labour on the clutch is the extra cost you want to avoid, this can be done by adding it to your spec sheet.
Hope that makes some sense.
Lighty said:
Had a quick add up & that car would be £47125.00 without the painted body panels (poa extra) & the number plate , so let's say £48500 in total new.
Pah, it doesn't even have the hydraulic handbrake! Patience is tough, but the early orders from dealers were shots in the dark.
Hydraulic handbrake?
brush black interior?
Short final gear?
This car is an early guess, but someone will no doubt buy it at or over cost price.
stormcloud123 said:
Agree.
15-18mths should be the expectation
Mine seems to have slipped a week or two (expected from experience), but the chassis is in production from what I can tell, excitement builds!
Annoying when you can see the early dealers collecting and flipping the car.
If it's in build, I'll likely see it Friday. I'll take some pictures if you want so DM me some details and if I can get some shots, I will. Waiting for cars on long lead times is excruciatingly painful. I've just been through it with my last car which got delayed by 6 months for various part stop orders and custom paint. Communication was terrible from the manufacturer so having some pictures or information is always a bonus.15-18mths should be the expectation
Mine seems to have slipped a week or two (expected from experience), but the chassis is in production from what I can tell, excitement builds!
Annoying when you can see the early dealers collecting and flipping the car.
foxsasha said:
Is there any sort of race series for the Nomads yet? I'd love one but would want to be able to use it properly off road.
The Ohlins won't automatically give a magic carpet ride, it depends entirely on the set up. I expect can specify what you want from them. If you want ride quality then ask for that but bear in mind that you can't have it all. The better the ride quality the softer the spring and damping rates have to be so the more pitch and roll you'll get and less suitable the car will be for more aggressive driving. Having said that the damping adjustment range is huge with Ohlins so it could be that the test car had the dampers all set to hard hence the firm ride and just backing them off would have given you the ride quality you were expecting.
Yeah, this is what I am hoping.The Ohlins won't automatically give a magic carpet ride, it depends entirely on the set up. I expect can specify what you want from them. If you want ride quality then ask for that but bear in mind that you can't have it all. The better the ride quality the softer the spring and damping rates have to be so the more pitch and roll you'll get and less suitable the car will be for more aggressive driving. Having said that the damping adjustment range is huge with Ohlins so it could be that the test car had the dampers all set to hard hence the firm ride and just backing them off would have given you the ride quality you were expecting.
The TD was in the off-road version, I still suspect it was set to heavy off-road bias from a press shoot somewhere.
stormcloud123 said:
Pah, it doesn't even have the hydraulic handbrake!
Patience is tough, but the early orders from dealers were shots in the dark.
Hydraulic handbrake?
brush black interior?
Short final gear?
This car is an early guess, but someone will no doubt buy it at or over cost price.
The interior looks a bit different, the floor looks like checker plate. Only car I've ever seen with that. Patience is tough, but the early orders from dealers were shots in the dark.
Hydraulic handbrake?
brush black interior?
Short final gear?
This car is an early guess, but someone will no doubt buy it at or over cost price.
Mutema said:
If it's in build, I'll likely see it Friday. I'll take some pictures if you want so DM me some details and if I can get some shots, I will. Waiting for cars on long lead times is excruciatingly painful. I've just been through it with my last car which got delayed by 6 months for various part stop orders and custom paint. Communication was terrible from the manufacturer so having some pictures or information is always a bonus.
Thanks for the offer, but 'at most' the chassis is in production (wherever they source that from), expect chassis delivery to the factory in a few weeks as per delivery schedules and then build the damn thing!If anyone from here does pop down to the factory mid August, you can't miss it, pearlised rapeseed yellow.
stormcloud123 said:
Thanks for the offer, but 'at most' the chassis is in production (wherever they source that from), expect chassis delivery to the factory in a few weeks as per delivery schedules and then build the damn thing!
If anyone from here does pop down to the factory mid August, you can't miss it, pearlised rapeseed yellow.
Did you go standard colour option or is this custom? I have been playing with the configurator colour choices and end up with something stealth or something that looks like a mutated wasp. If anyone from here does pop down to the factory mid August, you can't miss it, pearlised rapeseed yellow.
Mutema said:
Did you go standard colour option or is this custom? I have been playing with the configurator colour choices and end up with something stealth or something that looks like a mutated wasp.
Custom.It was either Batman or loud for me, the former had appeal, but limited.
Seen the green, olive green, RS green, various blues, standard orange, standard red, black and gunmetal. None took my fancy. TBF I'm not even sure about the yellow I've chosen. But with indifference to all, I just decided loud.
stormcloud123 said:
I had a 245 Atom, kept up with a well driven 997 GT3 RS but I did get overtaken by a few cars on track. Fitted the SC, only got overtaken once in 18 months on track, when I ran out of fuel.
The SC did ruin the gearbox though, in that the increase in power made changing gear pointless, shame, but if it's an Ariel product, it has to be fast. Expect the Nomad to be the same, sideways should distract me from the lack of need to change gear however.
The reviews are mostly incorrect, the 235 I would guess is a 4.5s to 60 car, the SC is likely 3.3-3.4s to 60. I have dialled back the full off-road tyres to intermediates for fear of killing the tyres soon after collection.
My car is just above £50k without SC, have an M2 on order for next year so something in the short term had to give unfortunately.
4.5s is not Ariel quick, but I've not had a performance car for a year or so now, by the time 4.5s wears off I'll either be a drift god or have the funds to bolt on a SC.
I have a 997 GT3RS, and the Nomad would nowhere near keep with it in n/a spec. The SC did ruin the gearbox though, in that the increase in power made changing gear pointless, shame, but if it's an Ariel product, it has to be fast. Expect the Nomad to be the same, sideways should distract me from the lack of need to change gear however.
The reviews are mostly incorrect, the 235 I would guess is a 4.5s to 60 car, the SC is likely 3.3-3.4s to 60. I have dialled back the full off-road tyres to intermediates for fear of killing the tyres soon after collection.
My car is just above £50k without SC, have an M2 on order for next year so something in the short term had to give unfortunately.
4.5s is not Ariel quick, but I've not had a performance car for a year or so now, by the time 4.5s wears off I'll either be a drift god or have the funds to bolt on a SC.
Prob why I am going to have the charger fitted. Also getting it in matching Orange.
Must say I did like the red Nomad with satin black frame, which is a no cost option, hence saving a grand.
Lighty said:
I have a 997 GT3RS, and the Nomad would nowhere near keep with it in n/a spec.
Prob why I am going to have the charger fitted. Also getting it in matching Orange.
Must say I did like the red Nomad with satin black frame, which is a no cost option, hence saving a grand.
The RS on track wasn't suppose to be there (Atom only event), but it was given special dispensation, so the driver was known (and from what I could tell, good). The track was tiny Brands, we're not talking SS or Spa here.Prob why I am going to have the charger fitted. Also getting it in matching Orange.
Must say I did like the red Nomad with satin black frame, which is a no cost option, hence saving a grand.
I'd say, in a 245 Atom around any given track, the Atom would match a SC Nomad, the Nomad won't be anywhere near the 245 Atom in corners. The trick on a track will be to convince the stewards that the Nomad slides and that you must not be black flagged, it's not you, it's the vehicle.
Nomad on track is a curiosity for me, need to find some loose stuff often for the Nomad to shine. Happy thoughts.
Satin black does look good, more so than the standard primary colours offered (excepting yellow of course!)
How do we think the Nomad would cope on track with 18" wheels, sticky track tyres and track orientated suspension? Can ride height be lowered without leading to bump steer and such horribleness?
Ariel tell me that theyre hoping to develop a multi format race series for the Nomads incorporating a seasons racing with some off road and some on track competition. That would be immense and Id order one now if they currently had such a series running. Theyre also planning to have MSA issue a ROPS (roll over protection system) certificate stating the suitability of the cars frame (cage) for racing which would bridge a lot of the barriers to entering the car into existing series. Hill climbing being one, existing off road racing like the NORC being another. I imagine hill climbing on semi off road tyres and 15" wheels would be an absolute hoot. Not competitive maybe but a lot of fun none the less.
Im just trying to sort a date to go and test drive one of their demonstrators with a view to placing an order asap.
Ariel tell me that theyre hoping to develop a multi format race series for the Nomads incorporating a seasons racing with some off road and some on track competition. That would be immense and Id order one now if they currently had such a series running. Theyre also planning to have MSA issue a ROPS (roll over protection system) certificate stating the suitability of the cars frame (cage) for racing which would bridge a lot of the barriers to entering the car into existing series. Hill climbing being one, existing off road racing like the NORC being another. I imagine hill climbing on semi off road tyres and 15" wheels would be an absolute hoot. Not competitive maybe but a lot of fun none the less.
Im just trying to sort a date to go and test drive one of their demonstrators with a view to placing an order asap.
Lighty said:
Absolute basic spec here, but loving the satin black frame (no cost option) with the red, as mentioned earlier.
Tiny brakes , would concern me slightly.
Anyone got some more recent pics or news ??
I have quite a few pictures, will post some up later with a review. Work and house guests have kept me from it for the last week. Tiny brakes , would concern me slightly.
Anyone got some more recent pics or news ??
Looks like my car is a week or so away from being bolted up. I'm now looking to register for the new plate change start of September.
That is the only news here, all videos watched, all Nomad pictures photoshopped to yellow, now the waiting...
Hoping to grab a few build pictures so I don't have to wait the whole 4 weeks with nothing before collection...
Whilst I know I'm lucky the wait is coming to an end, this has been 18 months in the making... zen.
That is the only news here, all videos watched, all Nomad pictures photoshopped to yellow, now the waiting...
Hoping to grab a few build pictures so I don't have to wait the whole 4 weeks with nothing before collection...
Whilst I know I'm lucky the wait is coming to an end, this has been 18 months in the making... zen.
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