Seats Again

[phazed]

Sorry Gregor, I wasn't rubbishing your post with your refurbed seats on, just stating what I personally think.

[vaurien]

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Sikiconkid....some people learn never....it look´s like that you one of them....


Regards..

Gregor

[vaurien]

phazed said:

Sorry Gregor, I wasn't rubbishing your post with your refurbed seats on, just stating what I personally think.

no problem....we know all that tvr was not a high standard producer. From my side I try to rebuild to quality
what they made .....let´s say quick/cheap....if you understand.



Regards

Gregor

[SILICONEKID340HP]

[quote=vaurien]http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=8&t=1209543&mid=276545&i=40&nmt=Carpets+for+chim&mid=276545

Sikiconkid....some people learn never....it look´s like that you one of them....


Regards..

Gre
Please explain why i need to pay vat to the Germans ! You can`t have one rule for one country and another for germany ..We are in the EU..We have to abide with the EU laws thats why we are Fd.

Gregor you can buy VAT free from the UK if you order with your debit car from Germany . Try it !

[NOTAFINGA]

phazed said:

Standard seats are rubbish, the XJS are comfy with better support.

I hear ya

[vaurien]

Silikonkid....it´s EU-Rule...contact your accountant.

If you want you can buy also from my belgium, romanian, croatian, or hungarian company by the last the vat is 27% !
I try to give benefits.....but you will never understand it.


Regards

Gregor

[Quietlybonkers]

SILICONEKID340HP said:

vaurien said:

No vat on that !

You are both right. In the UK you have to charge VAT on re-building works, unless it is a listed (ancient) building. So it depends on the age of your Chimaera I guess........

[vaurien]

It is an interesting tricky door for oldtimer ! Let´s speak about it 10-15 years later. How much are the cost for the Ltd. (accounting/tax ...) per year ?


Regards

Gregor

[ChimpofDarkness]

Bringing this back to the original topic to get the XJS seats to fit in a Chimaera I can confirm the following:

1. Both pivot covers must be removed

2. The chrome rake adjusting lever must be removed

3. The square spline that the chrome rake adjusting lever attaches to must be shortened

4. A thinner rake adjusting lever needs to be fabricated from thin flat plate and shaped acordingly

5. The seatbelt anchor on the outer sill must be adjusted with a persuader

6. The XJS seat belt bracket must be removed (this is attached to one of the rails both of which should be removed)

7. As above, both XJS rails must be removed & replaced with the TVR rails

8. A simple "H" frame must be fabricated to attach the TVR rails to the XJS seat base

9. The XJS passenger seat must be fitted to the TVR drivers side & the XJS drivers seat must be fitted to the TVR passenger side, this is to accommodate the "full forward" catches that now face inwards not outwards

10. The "full forward" catch nob on each XJS seat must be removed & replaced with a smaller thumb nut



NOTES:

• I will be making my "H" frame adjustable so the XJS seat can be placed in the most advantageous position in relation to the transferred TVR seat rails.

• The XJS seats sit slightly higher than the TVR originals, I found this gave a more commanding view of the road and a generally more confidence inspiring driving position

• There are no headroom issues, I am 6'1" tall, with the roof on I still had 3" of space between the top of my head & the roof panel

• The roof folds as normal, no restrictions in roof operation at all, the XJS head rests do run much closer to the roof stays than the originals but do not foul them in any way

• The additional lateral support offered by the better bolsters on the XJS seats is a huge improvement over the original TVR flat backed seats

• With the XJS seats you lose about 10mm of leg room, in practice this seemed not to be an issue and plenty of pedal adjustment remains to compensate for the very small loss of leg room

• The XJS seats are sublimely comfortable compared with the TVR originals

• The XJS seats will still slide fore & aft althouth this will need to be done with the door open (so before you set out)

• The fit of the XJS seats can generally be described as "Tight as a Nuns Chuff", but with a bit of ingenuity the most definitely do fit

In summary it looks like a nice little mod that improves comfort, support while cornering enthusiastically and personally I think they look very much in keeping with the classic style of the Chimaera.

On with the restoration & colour change using my Furniture Clinic kit.

Edited by ChimpofDarkness on Monday 12th November 08:36

[phazed]

I'm glad that they're a straight swap then !

Good that you're on the case Dave as I'm sure there is a lot of interest out there to swap those terrible standard seats.

[Quietlybonkers]

SILICONEKID340HP said:

vaurien said:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Sikiconkid....some people learn never....it look´s like that you one of them....


Regards..

Gre
Please explain why i need to pay vat to the Germans ! You can`t have one rule for one country and another for germany ..We are in the EU..We have to abide with the EU laws thats why we are Fd.

Gregor you can buy VAT free from the UK if you order with your debit car from Germany . Try it !

Sorry, but Gregor is correct, and if any company in any EU country sells to a customer in another EU country, they must charge VAT at their country's rate unless the buyer can prove they are in business, which is normally done by supplying the seller with your VAT number.

The reason that VAT registered traders don't get charged is because they can recover the VAT and offset it against their sales VAT, but it would be an administrative nightmare to have traders in all the EU countries having to reclaim VAT from other member countries, so the zero rating is an administrative simplification, and the governments collect the info of such transactions off VAT returns and settle up between governments.

I had a client fined by a VAT inspector for getting this wrong.

[Quietlybonkers]

SILICONEKID340HP said:

vaurien said:

vaurien said:

Regards

Gregor

incl. vat on that......

no vat for us .. call any of the TVR suppliers with a debit ,credit card from anywhere in Europe they will not charge you vat ..

They should charge it

[SILICONEKID340HP]

Quietlybonkers said:

SILICONEKID340HP said:

vaurien said:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Sikiconkid....some people learn never....it look´s like that you one of them....


Regards..

Gre
Please explain why i need to pay vat to the Germans ! You can`t have one rule for one country and another for germany ..We are in the EU..We have to abide with the EU laws thats why we are Fd.

Gregor you can buy VAT free from the UK if you order with your debit car from Germany . Try it !

Sorry, but Gregor is correct, and if any company in any EU country sells to a customer in another EU country, they must charge VAT at their country's rate unless the buyer can prove they are in business, which is normally done by supplying the seller with your VAT number.

The reason that VAT registered traders don't get charged is because they can recover the VAT and offset it against their sales VAT, but it would be an administrative nightmare to have traders in all the EU countries having to reclaim VAT from other member countries, so the zero rating is an administrative simplification, and the governments collect the info of such transactions off VAT returns and settle up between governments.

I had a client fined by a VAT inspector for getting this wrong.

I hope gregor reads this ! vat free for you if you buy from the UK.

[phazed]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

They "look" wide.

The trouble with griff/chims is that the space to bolt the seat in is very narrow.

Hardly any seats fit, even Elise are tight at the shoulder.

[phazed]

Tuscans are OK but pricey when you find a pair.

Much better imho to find a nice set of Elise/Exige seats and if cheap enough get them upholstered to match, (check out 7TVRs grief).

Cheapy here.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VX220-seats-Lotus-Elise-...

But the dealers know they're sort after!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LOTUS-EXIGE-LEATHER-SEAT...

[biper]

ChimpofDarkness said:

STUFF

This all looks to fiddley and at 6'4" it might be tight.

Was looking at some Porsche Boxter seats. The only reason is that the arse has fallen out of the drivers seat. Might just get that repaired.
Last year I drove down to the south of France and found the chim seats to be very comfortable.

Edited by biper on Monday 12th November 14:30

[phazed]

My gripe is that you slide all over the place, (for a sports car) and that when you pull up the headrest to get it remotely in the correct position, the seat top finishes half way up my back, (designed for porgs?).

[phazed]

biper said:

This all looks to fiddley and at 6'4" it might be tight.

Was looking at some Porsche Boxter seats. The only reason is that the arse has fallen out of the drivers seat. Might just get that repaired.
Last year I drove down to the south of France and found the chim seats to be very comfortable.

Edited by biper on Monday 12th November 14:30

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PORSCHE-BOXSTER-986-996-BLACK-LEATHER-SPORTS-FRONT-SEATS-electric-and-hardback-/121015475819?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1c2d159e6b

[ChimpofDarkness]

phazed said:

My gripe is that you slide all over the place, (for a sports car) and that when you pull up the headrest to get it remotely in the correct position, the seat top finishes half way up my back, (designed for porgs?).

This is what drove me to look at different seats.

As already mentioned the biggest issue limiting your options is the width, particularly at the bottom of the backrest.

A seat that's narrow enough to fit, yet gives better lateral support is tricky to find.

If that seat also needs to be comfortable in a grand tourer kind of way and look right in a Chimaera then you're really facing a challenge.

That right classic look is where the XJS seats score for me, it's the separate headrest that does it, anything with the more modern integral headrest design just doesn't look right in a Chim to me.

If your going to track the car then Elise seats are probably your best bet, but they're not really a long distance touring seat.

I've seen Chims with seats from a Honda S2000, Mazda MX5, TVR Tuscan, ect ect, and to me they all look too modern.

That's why I took a gamble on the XJS seats, I'd seen them fitted to the TVR "S" & really liked the factory look, so I figured if they fit in the "S" there's a good chance they could be encouraged into the Chimaera.

A decent seat can make a huge difference to the enjoyment of a car, after sitting in my Chimaera for the first time with the XJS seat in place I was left in no doubt they are well worth all the effort.

I can't wait to chuck the car through a few bends, the XJS seats should hold me nicely in place during spirited driving, where the TVR originals would have me sliding all over the place.

The original TVR seats just don't give you that "connected with the car" feeling you should get from a sports car, IMO a more supportive seat is just what this car needs.

Edited by ChimpofDarkness on Monday 12th November 19:05

[pbaker43]

come on then Dave, give us a sneak look to the finished article