What did you do in the garage yesterday?

What did you do in the garage yesterday?

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SILICONEKID345HP

14,997 posts

232 months

Sunday 3rd August 2014
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phazed said:
Just utilising the superior heads that I have.

Better heads + blended base and a little remapping.

I've junked the engine driven PS pump to tidy up the front of the engine and possibly gain one bhp wink and have fitted the electric pump.

All in all I hope to gain about 20 bhp and to move the torque up the scale.

As to gearing, it feels fine for normal use although it always feels that the gearing is too far spaced for the track.
Is it still on hydraulic lifters ? I thought those lifters were for high revving engines .

ChilliWhizz

11,992 posts

162 months

Monday 4th August 2014
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phazed said:
Just utilising the superior heads that I have.

Better heads + blended base and a little remapping.

I've junked the engine driven PS pump to tidy up the front of the engine and possibly gain one bhp wink and have fitted the electric pump.

All in all I hope to gain about 20 bhp and to move the torque up the scale.

As to gearing, it feels fine for normal use although it always feels that the gearing is too far spaced for the track.
When can we expect to see the RR results Peter? smile

ChilliWhizz

11,992 posts

162 months

Monday 4th August 2014
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phazed said:
That's all very well Richard and I wish you a very smooth transaction without any hiccups but you do know that you actually have to do something on the car, not just admire it within the four walls wink
I'm planning on spending day one sitting under the car port that extends out from the garage, on a comfy chair with a small table next to it, bottle of wine on table, garage doors open, staring at beastie, and quaffing steadily through the day, occasionally eating cheese.

Obviously I'll post information about the day's activity on here, and provide a recommendation regarding the wine and cheese, with particular reference to the merits of Italian cheese versus French cheese, a subject which is quite close to my heart, and, whilst not being an expert, do have strong views on. Oh, and photographs.. mustn't forget the photographs.... biggrin

I'm also planning on growing chillies again, something I haven't done for a while, in fact not since I had a chilli article published in Sprint magazine a couple of years back (yes, that's right, published!).... I'll be potting up in the workshop, so I'm thinking that might qualify for a few posts too getmecoat

Hoofa

3,151 posts

209 months

Monday 4th August 2014
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phazed said:
Pupp said:
How did you get on with them under the purple covers? Spacers?
Yes, used the steel spacers from V8Tuner.

Engine hasn't run yet but should be ok.
So I have I but can I get them to seal !,,,, er no flipping big oil leak every time, tried most sealants n gaskets still not got a proper seal. I'll be interested if you manage to get em to seal

I am getting another set made out of machined billet rather than laser cut jobbies

Edited by Hoofa on Monday 4th August 06:39

Tyre Tread

10,537 posts

217 months

Monday 4th August 2014
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Fitted the crank and pistons back into the block after much cleaning. With much appreciation to a certain Ben of engine building fame for guidance and some assistance.

macdeb

8,520 posts

256 months

Monday 4th August 2014
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Hoofa said:
phazed said:
Pupp said:
How did you get on with them under the purple covers? Spacers?
Yes, used the steel spacers from V8Tuner.

Engine hasn't run yet but should be ok.
So I have I but can I get them to seal !,,,, er no flipping big oil leak every time, tried most sealants n gaskets still not got a proper seal. I'll be interested if you manage to get em to seal

I am getting another set made out of machined billet rather than laser cut jobbies

Edited by Hoofa on Monday 4th August 06:39
I must've been lucky as mi9ne sealed first time. Though I did spend some time getting them straight first then moving the mounting holes slightly so they lined up with head mounts, black silicone sealant to underneath and blue hylomar on top.
Bloody rear crank seal started leaking though banghead

macdeb

8,520 posts

256 months

Monday 4th August 2014
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Pupp said:
Yes, I know it looks like an explosion in a blue silicone factory and, yes, I know there is a lot of tidying still to be done smile



Looking great Gary clap looking forward to seeing it and the results. I think it's fantastic that so many are putting time and effort into improving these cars and taking so many different approaches too.

phazed

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21,844 posts

205 months

Monday 4th August 2014
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macdeb said:
I must've been lucky as mi9ne sealed first time. Though I did spend some time getting them straight first then moving the mounting holes slightly so they lined up with head mounts, black silicone sealant to underneath and blue hylomar on top.
Bloody rear crank seal started leaking though banghead
Could that be crankcase pressure?

macdeb

8,520 posts

256 months

Monday 4th August 2014
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phazed said:
Could that be crankcase pressure?
That's my fear to be honest, I'm doing a leak down test this week as it's using oil too, bloody annoying as the car has never driven so well and is an absolute joy otherwise.

phazed

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21,844 posts

205 months

Monday 4th August 2014
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SILICONEKID345HP said:
Is it still on hydraulic lifters ? I thought those lifters were for high revving engines .
Still Hydraulic Daz, running the H414 cam.

Pupp

12,239 posts

273 months

Monday 4th August 2014
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macdeb said:
Looking great Gary clap looking forward to seeing it and the results. I think it's fantastic that so many are putting time and effort into improving these cars and taking so many different approaches too.
Thanks Mac - interested (obviously) in your oiling issues. What breather set up do you have; is it vacuum driven or just to atmosphere?

Pupp

12,239 posts

273 months

Monday 4th August 2014
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Tyre Tread said:
Fitted the crank and pistons back into the block after much cleaning. With much appreciation to a certain Ben of engine building fame for guidance and some assistance.
Anything definitive found to account for the issue Alan?

macdeb

8,520 posts

256 months

Monday 4th August 2014
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Pupp said:
Thanks Mac - interested (obviously) in your oiling issues. What breather set up do you have; is it vacuum driven or just to atmosphere?
Hi Gary, I have two catch tanks fitted, one on each bank of cylinders and vented to atmosphere.

Tyre Tread

10,537 posts

217 months

Monday 4th August 2014
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Pupp said:
Tyre Tread said:
Fitted the crank and pistons back into the block after much cleaning. With much appreciation to a certain Ben of engine building fame for guidance and some assistance.
Anything definitive found to account for the issue Alan?
Very interesting time with John Eales brother who did the balancing. Here's what he told me (As far as I can remember):
The 3.9/4.2 engine has balancing issues that the other variants don't have due to an issue from when the development work was done. How does he know? Because the company his brother (John) used to run , and for whom he worked, did (at lease some of) the development work on the engine. Land Rover took the specs they supplied but forgot to make specific allowances for the bearings in the balancing.

Since Rover didn't realise this until type approval had been completed, it was then too late/too expensive to rectify so they tried to overcome the issue by balancing taking out the imbalance by compensating in the flywheel and pulley.

Hence it matter little on other variants of the engine if you swap flywheels and pulleys but on the 3.9 engine it is important that either the engine is kept with its original flywheel and pulley OR that they are balanced separately and latterly as a unit for fine tuning.


Pupp

12,239 posts

273 months

Monday 4th August 2014
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So, it was out of balance then? Surprised by that as I understood that particular builder neutral balances each individual part of the rotating assembly. Glad you got it sorted in any event. Take it all otherwise ok inside?

There's a book in all that RV8 development history stuff - I mean the personalities and who did what and why. Good luck to whoever sets out to research and write it 'though! smile

neal1980

2,574 posts

240 months

Monday 4th August 2014
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I finished off mounting both turbos and wastegates..next is the exhaust..




Pupp

12,239 posts

273 months

Monday 4th August 2014
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macdeb said:
Pupp said:
Thanks Mac - interested (obviously) in your oiling issues. What breather set up do you have; is it vacuum driven or just to atmosphere?
Hi Gary, I have two catch tanks fitted, one on each bank of cylinders and vented to atmosphere.
You seeing much goop collecting in the cans? More I research, more it seems some sort of assisted evacuation is essential with boost

Pupp

12,239 posts

273 months

Monday 4th August 2014
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neal1980 said:
I finished off mounting both turbos and wastegates..next is the exhaust..



Not at all bonkers; all quite sane really... at least you won't trip over them up there! hehe

Looks awesome yes

Chuffmeister

3,597 posts

138 months

Monday 4th August 2014
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neal1980 said:
I finished off mounting both turbos and wastegates..next is the exhaust..



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Tyre Tread

10,537 posts

217 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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Pupp said:
So, it was out of balance then? Surprised by that as I understood that particular builder neutral balances each individual part of the rotating assembly. Glad you got it sorted in any event. Take it all otherwise ok inside?

There's a book in all that RV8 development history stuff - I mean the personalities and who did what and why. Good luck to whoever sets out to research and write it 'though! smile
Yes it was out of balance but considering the man who did the balancing for me does all the balancing work for the supplier of the engine and he took one look at it and said he hadn't been in there before tends to suggest that the supplier had tried to short cut the process. Perhaps he thought putting the engine in a slow revving environment (P5B) that it wouldn't matter or maybe he didn't know of the issues.

You're dead right about the book. The background and relationships is certainly 'entertaining', never mind the factual stuff.

Edited by Tyre Tread on Tuesday 5th August 07:51