What did you do in the garage yesterday?

What did you do in the garage yesterday?

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FoxTVR430

452 posts

110 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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Sardonicus said:
phazed said:
Got a link for those?
Ebay item number 272094753460 is one UK source they all white spot if they touch the heat source even the dearer yank ones
My number on "the-bay" was 272253954771. Free posting but longer delivery times. smile
Hope it helps
Simon

phazed

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21,844 posts

203 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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ChimpOnGas said:
I've had the cheaper fibreglass socks (red in my case) and they did indeed go white, I replaced them with the significantly more expensive and better quality DEI Titanium Protect-A-Boots which have been on the car for over two years and the still look brand new with no change in colour whatsoever.

Got mine from Summit Racing...

https://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/dei-010542/...

You can read about by belt & braces double protection arrangement at the bottom of the page here...

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=1&a...


What did you use for the, "inner " protection?

ChimpOnGas

9,637 posts

178 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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ChimpOnGas said:
I've had the cheaper fibreglass socks (red in my case) and they did indeed go white, I replaced them with the significantly more expensive and better quality DEI Titanium Protect-A-Boots which have been on the car for over two years and the still look brand new with no change in colour whatsoever.

Got mine from Summit Racing...

https://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/dei-010542/...

You can read about by belt & braces double protection arrangement at the bottom of the page here...

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=1&a...
phazed said:
What did you use for the, "inner " protection?
It's MSD Pro-Heat Guard Sleeve Peter, which is a high temp silicone coated woven fibreglass sleeve.



It's quite expensive, this stuff looks identical to me and is much cheaper.



Available in 10mm ID:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171790480005?_trksid=p20...

Or 25mm ID:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/381261129243?_trksid=p20...

I believe the expensive MSD Pro-Heat Guard Sleeve is 10mm, it's quite stretchy so I was able to take it right to the end of HT lead where it meets the plug, I see no reason why the cheaper alternative from Torques will be any different but I must admit I haven't tried it myself.

The MSD Pro-Heat Guard Sleeve certainly works well but in truth is probably overkill, my MSD Super Conductor leads (and especially their ends) are extremely heat resistant themselves so may well be fine with just the DEI protect-a-boots over them?

TBH I chose to add the extra protection of the MSD Pro-Heat Guard Sleeve because I wanted to over engineer my deletion of the dreadful and problematic spark plug extenders, but after two years of hard use I now feel confident my set up is a totally reliable alternative to extenders.



http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=143...

Dave thumbup

phazed

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21,844 posts

203 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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Thanks Dave, will have a shufti!

bobfather

11,171 posts

254 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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ChimpOnGas said:
Being an engineer I worry about this solution. Thermal insulation such as used here does not prevent thermal transmission, it delays it. On a long enough journey thermal equilibrium will occur meaning that the temperature of the HT lead will eventually equal the temperature of the outside surface of the insulation. For this solution to work there must be a means by which heat that has penetrated the insulation can escape.

I have been running socks and standard Lucas leads for the past 4k miles including two long distance touring holidays. On inspection of my leads a couple of months ago during a spark plug change they showed no signs of heat hardening. I use socks without additional insulation packing. When pulled tight to the rocker cover an air gap occurs between the sock and the lead on the hot side of the sock. This allows a natural thermal exchange of air which sweeps the hot inner sock with cooling air thus preventing thermal equilibrium from occurring.

mk1fan

10,507 posts

224 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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Lucas distributer cap and rotor arm turned up so fitted them. Noted that the stuff is now made in China and the rotor arm contact plate is about half the thickness of the old one.

Still awaiting the repalcement HT leads which can't come soon enough judging by the verdigris and missing tangs of the existing set. Started better and running a bit smoother.

Hopefully the plugs and leads will arrive by Friday and I'll fit on Saturday PM after the Sausage meet.

Then its a fluids and belt change.

portzi

2,296 posts

174 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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mk1fan said:
Lucas distributer cap and rotor arm turned up so fitted them. Noted that the stuff is now made in China and the rotor arm contact plate is about half the thickness of the old one.

Still awaiting the repalcement HT leads which can't come soon enough judging by the verdigris and missing tangs of the existing set. Started better and running a bit smoother.

Hopefully the plugs and leads will arrive by Friday and I'll fit on Saturday PM after the Sausage meet.

Then its a fluids and belt change.
Hi Stewart please if you want to save yourself much heart ache in the future of chasing engine faults, please watch this video if you have not already done so, and make your own mind up on these genuine Lucas parts that are currently on offer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4_i8W4a0GM


Edited by portzi on Wednesday 24th August 16:35

mk1fan

10,507 posts

224 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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Not chasing an engine fault. It has been a while since Wendy was serviced and although the mileage would not indicate a service, the elapsed time (imho) does. So just doing a '12k' service for peice of mind.

Not a lot in that video. I was expecting a comparrison / differences of the build quality rather than just pointing out the packaging details.

portzi

2,296 posts

174 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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mk1fan said:
Not chasing an engine fault. It has been a while since Wendy was serviced and although the mileage would not indicate a service, the elapsed time (imho) does. So just doing a '12k' service for peice of mind.

Not a lot in that video. I was expecting a comparrison / differences of the build quality rather than just pointing out the packaging details.
I don't think you understand what l am trying to say. If your original dizzy cap is serviceable and your fitting a new one which to all intensive purposes is of a poorer quality than your original, which was working well, why replace it? As the video says the newly made Lucas parts are not made to the same quality as the Birmingham originals.

mk1fan

10,507 posts

224 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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I must have missed the bit in the video where that was explained rather than just said.

Given the condition of the cap and rotor arm they need replacing. As do the HT leads.

A thorough clean of the cap and arm before they are cast into the 'touring spares' box.

Sardonicus

18,928 posts

220 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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FoxTVR430 said:
My number on "the-bay" was 272253954771. Free posting but longer delivery times. smile
Hope it helps
Simon
thumbup I have the DEI ones from the states used em for about 6 years now

ChimpOnGas

9,637 posts

178 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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bobfather said:
Being an engineer I worry about this solution. Thermal insulation such as used here does not prevent thermal transmission, it delays it. On a long enough journey thermal equilibrium will occur meaning that the temperature of the HT lead will eventually equal the temperature of the outside surface of the insulation. For this solution to work there must be a means by which heat that has penetrated the insulation can escape.

I have been running socks and standard Lucas leads for the past 4k miles including two long distance touring holidays. On inspection of my leads a couple of months ago during a spark plug change they showed no signs of heat hardening. I use socks without additional insulation packing. When pulled tight to the rocker cover an air gap occurs between the sock and the lead on the hot side of the sock. This allows a natural thermal exchange of air which sweeps the hot inner sock with cooling air thus preventing thermal equilibrium from occurring.
Thanks for your concern bobfather but you needn't worry, being an engineer you'll know the best may to prove if something works is to test it up to and beyond it's normal expected operation conditions.

To this end I think there can be no question I've done just that, my system has been tested and tested over the last two years with more than double your 4,000 miles under their belt and shown zero signs of failure.

On the other hand prior my double wrapped arrangement the Magnecore leads I ran using the "just a heat sock" method was a completely different story.



The above real world experience was the very reason I went to double wrapping and this current double wrapped system has seen some proper punishing testing that has included four hours of continuous LPG driving followed by a quick gas fill and a second similar four and a half hour run, both virtually back to back sessions totalling just well over 8 hours and 587 miles of driving which included a number of shocking 37 degree stop start French traffic jams the likes of which would make a UK jam seem like child's play.

The only rest they got was the 40 minute stop to fill with LPG, take a pee and eat a sandwich, to be honest I expect the leads got as hot as they even got during that stop due to zero air flow and huge heat soak. I don't think I can test my set up any harder than that, I was certainly frazzled at the end of the day even if my leads weren't, with this type of extreme testing under their belt I'm 100% confident I've created a reliable solution to those dreadful extenders.

I'm also 100% sure just using a sock is inferior, and I have the evidence to prove it.



If my system was going to fail it would have done so by now, LPG is also massively more punishing on all the ignition components than petrol and especially hard on HT leads, so while I appreciate your concern you can sleep easy safe in the knowledge I've pushed my double wrapped system well beyond the levels others have tested their "just a sock" arrangement at.

SILICONEKID345HP

14,997 posts

230 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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Can you get wider boots ? I have the eddis style boots.

bobfather

11,171 posts

254 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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ChimpOnGas said:
I thought this was a Magnecore issue, there were several heat damage failures reported a few years back. That is the very reason I returned mine to standard Lucas leads

ChimpOnGas

9,637 posts

178 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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bobfather said:
ChimpOnGas said:
I thought this was a Magnecore issue, there were several heat damage failures reported a few years back. That is the very reason I returned mine to standard Lucas leads
Truth is Bob I cant really be 100% sure if the failure was Magnecore related or not, the photos certainly show they got scorched with the "just the sock" method. TBH all I can tell you with complete confidence is my double wrapped MSD leads are still perfect after two years of being put through the most extreme testing.

Rather than being a source of concern as suggested my set up is real world proven totally reliable, however people choose to protect their HT leads the really important thing here is the act of deleting those dreadful failure prone extenders can only be a good thing.

Best regards, Dave.






SILICONEKID345HP

14,997 posts

230 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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Dave is that your personal toy ?

s p a c e m a n

10,752 posts

147 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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Shiney exhaust bracket today, simple things please me hehe


ClassiChimi

12,424 posts

148 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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s p a c e m a n said:
Shiney exhaust bracket today, simple things please me hehe

Is this for the hanger at the rear in between the two pipes, the one you can see when travelling behind a Tvr ( in another Tvr) if so, Cool smile

s p a c e m a n

10,752 posts

147 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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Scrap that, it's too long paperbag shiney back scratcher??? hehe

ClassiChimi

12,424 posts

148 months

Thursday 25th August 2016
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s p a c e m a n said:
Scrap that, it's too long paperbag shiney back scratcher??? hehe
biglaugh but it is details like that that often stand out wink good try thumbup