What did you do in the garage yesterday?

What did you do in the garage yesterday?

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QBee

20,994 posts

145 months

Friday 14th October 2016
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Yes, but the point is that standard nuts and bolts come undone more easily on the near side of the car, hence why we have reverse thread

Discopotatoes

4,101 posts

222 months

Friday 14th October 2016
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But they are nylocs and are fully threaded onto the stub axel. Your wheel nut were neither, recommended length of available thread 1.5 times the stud diameter so an m12 should have 18mm thread

mk1fan

10,522 posts

226 months

Friday 14th October 2016
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And their torqued on 3-4 times more than a wheel nut.

N7GTX

7,876 posts

144 months

Friday 14th October 2016
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Torqued up very tight, in fact a lot may not have reached the correct torque if done at home without a big tool.
I did wonder if the left hand thread was really necessary at the recommended torque. Following on from Simon's comment about Honda crankshaft bolts, never ever known one come undone at their torque.
Rolls Royce and RAF instructions were a minimum of 3 visible threads showing on nylocs/oddies in my pre-history days.
But, I would always use a new nut on refitting especially at a fiver a throw.;)

Edited by N7GTX on Friday 14th October 15:13

portzi

2,296 posts

176 months

Friday 14th October 2016
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N7GTX said:
Torqued up very tight, in fact a lot may not have reached the correct torque if done at home without a big tool.
I did wonder if the left hand thread was really necessary at the recommended torque. Following on from Simon's comment about Honda crankshaft bolts, never ever known one come undone at their torque.
Rolls Royce and RAF instructions were a minimum of 3 visible threads showing on nylocs/oddies in my pre-history days.
But, I would always use a new nut on refitting especially at a fiver a throw.;)

Edited by N7GTX on Friday 14th October 15:13
Don't trust anything that RAF Engineers publish, l see them at work Monday to Friday and it does not fill anyone with a sense of confidencesmile.

Stick with Royces their proper engineers smile

Edited by portzi on Friday 14th October 15:45

Sardonicus

18,962 posts

222 months

Friday 14th October 2016
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mk1fan said:
And their torqued on 3-4 times more than a wheel nut.
Agree with this and Richards comment, if the wheel nuts coming loose on the nearside of a vehicle was a known issue then in my 32 years in the motor trade I would of heard about it QBee rolleyes your trailer wheel bolts either came loose because of a problem with the fastener i.e lack of stud to nut protrusion, incorrect/mismatched angle/chamfer of the wheel and nut used or a combination of both, or you just did not do the wheel nuts tight enough in the 1st place scratchchin


Edited by Sardonicus on Friday 14th October 15:50

TwinKam

2,989 posts

96 months

Friday 14th October 2016
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phazed said:
TwinKam said:
Peter, I'm guessing you've not got a big windy-gun, but if you'd've refitted the wheel and lowered it to the ground, you could've removed that nut intact! hehe
No can do.

The shaft was sheared just on the other side of the hub. So the nut was bolted on to the short section of stub axle which was sheared just inside the hub. As you turned the nut ,it's just spun in the bearing.
confused ...but spun along with the drive flange, surely? From your pic it broke between the joint and the splines, the splines are still attached to the threaded section (from which you want to undo the nut). The splines are engaged in the hub ...so prevent the hub from turning and you can undo the nut... surely? confused

Sardonicus

18,962 posts

222 months

Friday 14th October 2016
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TwinKam said:
confused ...but spun along with the drive flange, surely? From your pic it broke between the joint and the splines, the splines are still attached to the threaded section (from which you want to undo the nut). The splines are engaged in the hub ...so prevent the hub from turning and you can undo the nut... surely? confused
Peter knew what he meant laugh the car its done and dusted he dont hang around its already back on the road

jojackson4

3,026 posts

138 months

Friday 14th October 2016
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Cleaned some tools and made some room for the old z650
Engine to move so I can tidy up

phazed

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21,844 posts

205 months

Friday 14th October 2016
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TwinKam said:
confused ...but spun along with the drive flange, surely? From your pic it broke between the joint and the splines, the splines are still attached to the threaded section (from which you want to undo the nut). The splines are engaged in the hub ...so prevent the hub from turning and you can undo the nut... surely? confused
The drive shaft bolts onto the flange of the stub axle. The flange broke off leaving the spline section which fits inside the bearing and just rotates.

Discopotatoes

4,101 posts

222 months

Friday 14th October 2016
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phazed said:
TwinKam said:
confused ...but spun along with the drive flange, surely? From your pic it broke between the joint and the splines, the splines are still attached to the threaded section (from which you want to undo the nut). The splines are engaged in the hub ...so prevent the hub from turning and you can undo the nut... surely? confused
The drive shaft bolts onto the flange of the stub axle. The flange broke off leaving the spline section which fits inside the bearing and just rotates.
i think i can see the confusion if the hub and wheel are still attached and on the ground the hub spline lock the spline on whats left of the stub axel, no?

Discopotatoes

4,101 posts

222 months

Friday 14th October 2016
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N7GTX said:
Torqued up very tight, in fact a lot may not have reached the correct torque if done at home without a big tool.
I did wonder if the left hand thread was really necessary at the recommended torque. Following on from Simon's comment about Honda crankshaft bolts, never ever known one come undone at their torque.
Rolls Royce and RAF instructions were a minimum of 3 visible threads showing on nylocs/oddies in my pre-history days.
But, I would always use a new nut on refitting especially at a fiver a throw.;)

Edited by N7GTX on Friday 14th October 15:13
i bought a new torque wrench just for this purpose

portzi

2,296 posts

176 months

Saturday 15th October 2016
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Discopotatoes said:
N7GTX said:
Torqued up very tight, in fact a lot may not have reached the correct torque if done at home without a big tool.
I did wonder if the left hand thread was really necessary at the recommended torque. Following on from Simon's comment about Honda crankshaft bolts, never ever known one come undone at their torque.
Rolls Royce and RAF instructions were a minimum of 3 visible threads showing on nylocs/oddies in my pre-history days.
But, I would always use a new nut on refitting especially at a fiver a throw.;)

Edited by N7GTX on Friday 14th October 15:13
i bought a new torque wrench just for this purpose
Follow Royce's not RAF Engineering !!!!!!smile

N7GTX

7,876 posts

144 months

Saturday 15th October 2016
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portzi said:
Discopotatoes said:
N7GTX said:
Torqued up very tight, in fact a lot may not have reached the correct torque if done at home without a big tool.
I did wonder if the left hand thread was really necessary at the recommended torque. Following on from Simon's comment about Honda crankshaft bolts, never ever known one come undone at their torque.
Rolls Royce and RAF instructions were a minimum of 3 visible threads showing on nylocs/oddies in my pre-history days.
But, I would always use a new nut on refitting especially at a fiver a throw.;)

Edited by N7GTX on Friday 14th October 15:13
i bought a new torque wrench just for this purpose
Follow Royce's not RAF Engineering !!!!!!smile
What a load of boll#cks. The RAF engine manuals for the Viper and Olympus (how many Vulcans fell out of the sky due to engineering f'ck ups?) were written by RR, FFS. The RR rep visited every week, to give us the latest updates and info, in the engine bay. Oh and XH558 (recently retired again) managed to survive both Scampton and Waddo engine techs without mishap including me rolleyes

caduceus

6,071 posts

267 months

Saturday 15th October 2016
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QBee

20,994 posts

145 months

Saturday 15th October 2016
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About 6 weeks before its retirement, XH558 overflew my grandchildren's birthday party in our garden at about 150 feet (it felt like 15 feet), on its approach run to overfly the Newark Showground. It was so close, and absolutely overhead, you felt you could see the individual rivets.

No warning, no time to get the camera out, there was just a roar and it appeared over the hedge. Evocative beyond words.

Did the 40 or so kids (aged 4 - 8) even notice? Nope.
Did the mums stop talking long enough to notice? Nope.
Did the dads and granddads notice - you bet we did. Big grins all round.

I often find myself, in my home office, working to the sound of six Merlin engines as the BBMF head off to another air show down south - we are right on the flight path as they navigate visually by the A46 and A1. Ditto the Red Arrows. I guess I must be getting old, because the sound of those engines move me so much that typing becomes very hit and miss, as it is now, thinking about what they mean to me.

ChilliWhizz

11,992 posts

162 months

Saturday 15th October 2016
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caduceus said:
Wow, Iain's a bit touchy this afternoon..... whistle

portzi

2,296 posts

176 months

Saturday 15th October 2016
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ChilliWhizz said:
caduceus said:
Wow, Iain's a bit touchy this afternoon..... whistle
If your were to cut him in half he'd be red,white and blue through and throughsmile

ChilliWhizz

11,992 posts

162 months

Saturday 15th October 2016
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QBee said:
About 6 weeks before its retirement, XH558 overflew my grandchildren's birthday party in our garden at about 150 feet (it felt like 15 feet), on its approach run to overfly the Newark Showground. It was so close, and absolutely overhead, you felt you could see the individual rivets.

No warning, no time to get the camera out, there was just a roar and it appeared over the hedge. Evocative beyond words.

Did the 40 or so kids (aged 4 - 8) even notice? Nope.
Did the mums stop talking long enough to notice? Nope.
Did the dads and granddads notice - you bet we did. Big grins all round.

I often find myself, in my home office, working to the sound of six Merlin engines as the BBMF head off to another air show down south - we are right on the flight path as they navigate visually by the A46 and A1. Ditto the Red Arrows. I guess I must be getting old, because the sound of those engines move me so much that typing becomes very hit and miss, as it is now, thinking about what they mean to me.
Stop it.

My little cottage in the country is about a mile or so from Old Buckenham airfield... One of the professionals (as in Bodie & Doyle and who's shown me round the plane) keeps his Stearman there... If I'm in the garden I always know it's the Stearman coming over, that huge radial engine in the nose is so distinctive... Stunning looking bright yellow bi-plane biggrin

The annual air show is a delight.. If I'm home I can drink beer and fire up the bbq and watch iconic aircraft fly over the cottage at low altitude from the comfort of my own garden smile

My BiL was a Jaguar pilot back in the day, and some years ago we went to a family day at Coltishall... For some reason which I can't properly explain I got all damp eyed when the Lancaster and Spitfire did the flyby... Like Anthony, just thinking about it now has made me feel a bit emotional....

And I am completely devoid of any emotion, feminine side, or ghey leanings...

I am a proper bloke, and I deny any rumour of girly feelings. No really.

Ignore the bit above about being damp eyed, I made it up.

Did I mention I've just bought an Aston?
biggrin



spikep

468 posts

283 months

Saturday 15th October 2016
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portzi said:
If your were to cut him in half he'd be red,white and blue through and throughsmile
You can't call anyone a 'stick of rock'. Mister bomber command memorial time capsule.