WMS Brakes

WMS Brakes

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kris450

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658 posts

193 months

Friday 7th February 2014
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Evening all

I know this has been done quite a few times but I can't seem to find the answer I'm looking for. I've tried contacting Keri but (as I've read quite a few times before) he isn't the easiest chap to get hold of.

Can anyone confirm the thread sizes for the braided hoses he also supplies with the kit ? I'm sure I've read that the hoses are sourced in the USA and so are imperial rather than metric ?

(I'm also presuming that the threads are the same sizes at either ends of the hoses)

pac1uk

268 posts

190 months

Friday 7th February 2014
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I have the WMS brakes fitted. The braided hoses (Earls brand) with the kit are:-

WMS calipers take 1/8" NPT with a taper on the male half forming the seal.

Richard 858

1,882 posts

134 months

Friday 7th February 2014
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I also have WMS front brake kit fitted and the 1/8" NPT is correct, as far as the other end goes I think Keri supplies the correct unions to couple up to 3/16" standard copper (M10 ?) fittings.

kris450

Original Poster:

658 posts

193 months

Friday 7th February 2014
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Richard 858 said:
I also have WMS front brake kit fitted and the 1/8" NPT is correct, as far as the other end goes I think Keri supplies the correct unions to couple up to 3/16" standard copper (M10 ?) fittings.
Ah...thats the bit I'm interested in. Is it M10 or 3/8 ? I'm in the middle of making up new copper lines and don't know what ends to put on before I make the final flare.

If anyone could confirm that would be great. I'll keep chasing Keri as well.

Thanks guys

Richard 858

1,882 posts

134 months

Friday 7th February 2014
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Kris, I'll check in the morning but given that it's a 90's European Ford system I would think it's M10, I'll get back to you on this though.

Keri

156 posts

229 months

Friday 7th February 2014
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Sorry for being slow - burried under a VAT return at the moment while waiting for more stock to arrive!

The lines are indeed 1/8npt at the caliper, but are M10x1 at the chassis as that's what I have for the Chim. That said, if you wind up with imperial chassis fittings I can spec lines to suit I expect. biggrin

kris450

Original Poster:

658 posts

193 months

Friday 7th February 2014
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Keri said:
Sorry for being slow - burried under a VAT return at the moment while waiting for more stock to arrive!

The lines are indeed 1/8npt at the caliper, but are M10x1 at the chassis as that's what I have for the Chim. That said, if you wind up with imperial chassis fittings I can spec lines to suit I expect. biggrin
Fantastic ! Thanks guys, appreciate it.

Keri, I sent you an email earlier in the week with some other questions. I'll send it again now in case you didn't get it the first time round.

Thanks again

Richard 858

1,882 posts

134 months

Friday 7th February 2014
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Kris, you won't regret your choice, great value for money & great brakes !

kris450

Original Poster:

658 posts

193 months

Saturday 23rd August 2014
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Morning all

Sorry to bring up an older topic. Has anyone who is running the WMS brakes had problems in getting the union to seal with the caliper ? Not the actual braided line but just the union.

I started off as finger tight as advised and its pcensoredg out yikes I've definitely got the tapered end into the caliper and it isn't cross threaded. I really can't figure it out. Tried screwing it in a little more but don't want to go too far and it gets slightly better, but is certainly still leaking.

I've emailed Keri but being a bank holiday weekend I appreciate if he is busy. Just wondered if anyone else had had the same problem ? How far should I be screwing the union into the caliper ?

SILICONEKID345HP

14,997 posts

230 months

Saturday 23rd August 2014
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Which are the better brakes ,Hispec or WMS . Are the WMS more than £550 ?

kris450

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658 posts

193 months

Saturday 23rd August 2014
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No idea I'm afraid. Never owned Hispec and haven't had a chance yet to use the WMS.

£550 sounds about right. I paid a bit more than that but I also went with grooved discs and ferodo pads.

CHIMV8

2,768 posts

220 months

Saturday 23rd August 2014
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SILICONEKID345HP said:
Which are the better brakes ,Hispec or WMS . Are the WMS more than £550 ?
Which way we going then?

pac1uk

268 posts

190 months

Saturday 23rd August 2014
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I've had my WMS brakes since last year. Finger tight won't be enough. You have to use a spanner and it needs to be tight, just enough. Don't over tighten its aluminium calliper.

Mine doesn't go in all the way into the calliper, but it's tight and doesn't leak.






SILICONEKID345HP

14,997 posts

230 months

Saturday 23rd August 2014
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CHIMV8 said:
Which way we going then?
Pity you can`t get 300mm discs for the Hispec ,would suit my front 16" and 17" front rims .Do the HIspec need different hoses ?

They may of gone up since .

Pity they don`t do 300mm discs with the Hi spec for the 16" wheels . The price i got for WMS was
- 4P082 300x22 Chimaera WMS 4-pot kit (calipers, brackets with inserts, discs, bolts) = (£508.24+vat RRP - 5% PistonHeads member discount) = £482.83+vat
- Ferodo DS2500 (fast road) = £61.20+vat/set
- Front Earls WMS-fit braided brake lines = £33.23/pr+vat
- Grooving discs as a service = £40.00+vat
- UK zone 1 shipping = £FREE when payment is via bank transfer as it saves the PayPal fees! (otherwise PayPal is fine but it's £10.00+vat shipping)

= £617.26+vat (£740.71 inclusive) if using bank-transfer

4P010 283x24 Chimaera WMS 4-pot kit (calipers, brackets with inserts, discs, bolts) = (£442.96+vat RRP - 5% PistonHeads member discount) = £420.81+vat
- Ferodo DS2500 (fast road) = £61.20+vat/set
- Front Earls WMS-fit braided brake lines = £33.23+vat/pr
- Grooving discs as a service = £40.00+vat
- UK zone 1 shipping = £FREE when payment is via bank transfer as it saves the PayPal fees! (otherwise PayPal is fine but it's £10.00+vat shipping)

= £555.24+vat ( £666.29 inclusive )

NickOrangeTVR

649 posts

138 months

Saturday 23rd August 2014
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SILICONEKID345HP said:
Pity you can`t get 300mm discs for the Hispec ,would suit my front 16" and 17" front rims .Do the HIspec need different hoses ?
I have 300mm on the front on 16" + 6 pot. They can be made to fit.

SILICONEKID345HP

14,997 posts

230 months

Saturday 23rd August 2014
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NickOrangeTVR said:
I have 300mm on the front on 16" + 6 pot. They can be made to fit.
Thanks Nick ,but at cost ,I am on a budget , at the same time have the largest disc to fit in a 16" wheel .

Richard 858

1,882 posts

134 months

Saturday 23rd August 2014
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pac1uk said:
I've had my WMS brakes since last year. Finger tight won't be enough. You have to use a spanner and it needs to be tight, just enough. Don't over tighten its aluminium calliper.

Mine doesn't go in all the way into the calliper, but it's tight and doesn't leak.
I've had my WMS front brakes fitted for nearly 18 months and initially tightened all fittings with a spanner and have never had any leaks, in this time I've removed & refitted to do some winter chassis maintenance and still had no problems.

kris450

Original Poster:

658 posts

193 months

Saturday 23rd August 2014
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Richard 858 said:
pac1uk said:
I've had my WMS brakes since last year. Finger tight won't be enough. You have to use a spanner and it needs to be tight, just enough. Don't over tighten its aluminium calliper.

Mine doesn't go in all the way into the calliper, but it's tight and doesn't leak.
I've had my WMS front brakes fitted for nearly 18 months and initially tightened all fittings with a spanner and have never had any leaks, in this time I've removed & refitted to do some winter chassis maintenance and still had no problems.
Cheers chaps, much appreciated.

Guess I'll have to give them more of a tighten. Hope I don't go too far...

Thanks again thumbup

davettf2

151 posts

144 months

Saturday 23rd August 2014
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Peeps,
If it is 1/8 NPT, this a taper thread. It should not go all the way in, it relies on the taper to form the seal, typically over 1 1/2 threads. Finger tight is not enough, you need to tighten sufficient to seal. It may be wise to use a thread sealant such as Swak, which is an anaerobic fluid.
hope this helps
regards
dave

SILICONEKID345HP

14,997 posts

230 months

Saturday 23rd August 2014
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Would the Hispec with bells instead of discs be better than discs ?


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