Spring rates

Spring rates

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SILICONEKID346HP

Original Poster:

14,997 posts

231 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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I recently adjusted the ride heights 155 rear 140 front , after putting 40 litres of petrol in the rear suspension dropped to 140 so the car sat level then the rear dropped even more with me and my son sat in the seats .

Is this normal or is it telling me the rear springs rates are far to low .


K4TRV

1,819 posts

252 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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When "I" have mine set-up - corner weighting - it is done so with the fuel I would be carrying (Sprint/Hillclimbs - about 15/20 ltrs) and ME sitting in the car?? It's about performance & handling, not about ride-height millimetres when empty??

I suggest you try and set yours up similarly and then when your Son jumps in, you'll hardly notice??

But Daz, It's you car, do what you like?

T

Edited by K4TRV on Tuesday 15th April 19:18

QBee

20,979 posts

144 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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He's right, Daz. My ride height, corner weighting and geo were done by Mat (who you look up to, I know hehe ) with me in the car, my track tyres on and a full tank of fuel..

The son will save you money - no need to pay for the corner weighting. My car was so much better on track with 50 kg of wife in the passenger seat. Just keep him off the donuts. eek

ChilliWhizz

11,992 posts

161 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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This reminds me I must phone Mat to get my new sump fitted

QBee

20,979 posts

144 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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ChilliWhizz said:
This reminds me I must phone Mat to get my new sump fitted
You must indeed - he did a perfect job of mine, I was looking under the car yesterday afternoon and the bottom of my sump is completely dry, clean and shiny. Not a drop of oil anywhere to be seen.
Don't forget to take your oil of choice with you, or ask Mat to get it for you, if you want something other than his stock stuff. I know how particular you are regarding Beastie's diet. smile

ChilliWhizz

11,992 posts

161 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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QBee said:
ChilliWhizz said:
This reminds me I must phone Mat to get my new sump fitted
You must indeed - he did a perfect job of mine, I was looking under the car yesterday afternoon and the bottom of my sump is completely dry, clean and shiny. Not a drop of oil anywhere to be seen.
Don't forget to take your oil of choice with you, or ask Mat to get it for you, if you want something other than his stock stuff. I know how particular you are regarding Beastie's diet. smile
hehe

Actually, I thought this thread was going to be about Daz trying to drum up new business smile

QBee

20,979 posts

144 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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Our minds work the same way eek
That's exactly what i thought when i saw the title..... laugh

SILICONEKID346HP

Original Poster:

14,997 posts

231 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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Would the height drop this dramatically with slightly stiffer springs .

A900ss

3,248 posts

152 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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It's all linear.

Suppose you have 250lb/inch springs and you add 500lbs to the car (petrol weight, people, luggage) you should see a drop of 2 inches.

If you then put on 500lb/inch springs, the same 500lb added to the car should drop it 1 inch.

(The above assumes all the weight is over one axle and in a horizontal position, in reality it wouldn't be applied to just 1 axle and also the spring is part of a fulcrum but that's the jist).

I'm sure more technical people will be along shortly.

Edited by A900ss on Wednesday 16th April 17:35

A900ss

3,248 posts

152 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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PS - 40 litres of petrol is about 65lb so the car shouldn't really drop the car too much.

Edited by A900ss on Wednesday 16th April 17:36

QBee

20,979 posts

144 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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I stuck a small lawnmower in the boot of mine last year (no don't ask) and the rear looked really low. It is quite surprising what an effect a little weight has.

When i go to track days i have two wheels and tyres, plus a jack, a compressor and some tools in the boot, and two more wheels and tyres in the car and it looks very low. My springs are 400/375 front/rear.

Quinny

15,814 posts

266 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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QBee said:
I stuck a small lawnmower in the boot of mine last year (no don't ask) and the rear looked really low. It is quite surprising what an effect a little weight has.

When i go to track days i have two wheels and tyres, plus a jack, a compressor and some tools in the boot, and two more wheels and tyres in the car and it looks very low. My springs are 400/375 front/rear.
Weight added into the boot, will have a bigger effect on ride height than the same amount of weight added in the cabinsmile

SILICONEKID346HP

Original Poster:

14,997 posts

231 months

Thursday 15th May 2014
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I now have the fronts on the rear which are 325 and new 375`s on the front ,it feels a`lot better and not to harsh .The 250 rears were ok apart from adjustment problems and the angle of the car under hard acceleration

Edited by SILICONEKID346HP on Thursday 15th May 13:49

phazed

21,844 posts

204 months

Thursday 15th May 2014
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You'll find that setup fine for fast road.

You doing Shakey Daz?

QBee

20,979 posts

144 months

Thursday 15th May 2014
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phazed said:
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You doing Shakey Daz?
Thought the point of the new stronger springs was so that he could do Stiffey?? confused

SILICONEKID346HP

Original Poster:

14,997 posts

231 months

Thursday 15th May 2014
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phazed said:
You'll find that setup fine for fast road.

You doing Shakey Daz?
Her in doors tells me to go ,maybe she is trying to get rid of me ,apparently I am more maintenance than one year old twins .. she said a rest would be nice so it`s Shakey and Cadwell . cool

phazed

21,844 posts

204 months

Thursday 15th May 2014
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I'm doing Curborough sprint then Shakey, QBee's doing all Curborough and Cadwell although I think that he should do all 3!

QBee

20,979 posts

144 months

Thursday 15th May 2014
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phazed said:
I'm doing Curborough sprint then Shakey, QBee's doing all Curborough and Cadwell although I think that he should do all 3!
Kind of you to suggest it. My drag strip career started and finished at The Pod. I have a four storey tower to redecorate this summer, so plenty of chances to watch paint dry on an industrial scale idea

Alun450

12,424 posts

149 months

Thursday 15th May 2014
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Very funny that, you guys are having a ball.

QBee

20,979 posts

144 months

Thursday 15th May 2014
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Come and join us. Thursday, any time between 9.30 and 5.30. Pub (The Roadkill) after for a meal and even more chat blabla