4ltr 570bhp chimp....really??
Discussion
a1rak said:
phazed said:
The 4.2 cerb doesn't make anywhere near 380, not sure about the 4.5.
engineers low mileage cerb couldn't match the "good" chims for speed on the track.
A good 4.2 is about 350bhp, a good 4.5 is 380bhp with a remap they would make 370bhp to 400bhp respectively.engineers low mileage cerb couldn't match the "good" chims for speed on the track.
Never had any trouble passing a chimp on a track in the Cerb or my 306 pug for that matter. About equal up to 60mph then I sail by.
The chimaera, like it or not really is a cloth cap and pipe brigade type of car. I might even get one when I retire.
Happy Easter !!!!.
No, seriously, if he's got 530bhp then I can understand why he'd come on the Chim forum and tell us about it, and how inadequate our cars are...
Makes my 360bhp and 355ft/lbs look positively pathetic...
If he's quicker than Derek up the quarter and can leave me behind round Snetts then respect would be due
Until then.......
a1rak said:
A good 4.2 is about 350bhp, a good 4.5 is 380bhp with a remap they would make 370bhp to 400bhp respectively.
Never had any trouble passing a chimp on a track in the Cerb or my 306 pug for that matter. About equal up to 60mph then I sail by.
The chimaera, like it or not really is a cloth cap and pipe brigade type of car. I might even get one when I retire.
Happy Easter !!!!.
Never had any trouble passing a chimp on a track in the Cerb or my 306 pug for that matter. About equal up to 60mph then I sail by.
The chimaera, like it or not really is a cloth cap and pipe brigade type of car. I might even get one when I retire.
Happy Easter !!!!.
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a1rak said:
Its nice if you are rescuing a wreak of a car but its a tragedy if its a good one. The AJP engine is the only part of this car that makes it unique. A LS engine in a Cerbera will work well but its no longer a Cerbera. I run a Vortec SC on mine and have covered about 3k miles with no problems. About 7psi boost no intercooler totally home made apart from the mapping by Emerald. It reliably makes 530bhp. I'll be at the next Berkshire TVR meet in Bracknell. Hopefully you will all be there as well.
Yes, but our 500bhp engine will do 100,000 miles without needing an oil change 
- and yours will have required 20 services. and if I hear one more person whine about us removing the AJP I think I will video throwing it off a bridge just to f
k you all off NickOrangeTVR said:
Yes, but our 500bhp engine will do 100,000 miles without needing an oil change - and yours will have required 20 services.
and if I hear one more person whine about us removing the AJP I think I will video throwing it off a bridge just to fk you all off
Stick a scania diesel in it Nick......that'll cheer em up - and yours will have required 20 services. and if I hear one more person whine about us removing the AJP I think I will video throwing it off a bridge just to f
k you all off 
For comparison I've been in a1rak's supercharged AJP Cerb (530bhp), and I've also been in (& driven) my mate's LS3 Cerb (480bhp).
The truth is on the road you'll be very hard pressed to notice any difference between the two in performance terms.
So in the end it comes down to refinement & drivability, and for me its the LS car that leads the way in this department, however I freely admit my time in a1rak's supercharged AJP Cerb was limited to short return run to & from the Ace Cafe around the North Circular and 2 junctions up the M1 and it was suffering detonation then.
I have to say every time I witness that LS engined Cerbera I'm left hugely impressed, it's not so much the immense power & endless torque (which is epic BTW) but it's the incredible refinement and drivability that means you can really use & enjoy all that power.
Going back to the Cerbera vs Chimaera debate I'll make two points:
1) You can always make a Chimaera Cerbera fast by adding forced induction, but you'll never enjoy the thrill of open air motoring in a Cerbera.
2) Weight!!! - I'll explain....
Forget what TVR said, a Cerbera carrying half a tank of fuel will weigh 1240kg.
A Chimaera with a similar fuel load will always be under 1100kg.
How does this extra 140kg affect things?
Well, for a Chimaera to match a1rak's 530hp Cerb power to weight ratio of 427 bhp per ton it needs to be putting out 470hp.
So to match the performance of a1rak's supercharged AJP Cerb all you need is a fairly standard 5 litre Chimaera with an SC Power supercharger kit, an after market ECU & a intercooler.
If you want to match a normally aspirated AJP Cerb it's even easier, all you need is a 4 litre Chimaera with an SC Power supercharger kit.
And your blown baby engined Chim will make more torque in a far more linear way than any normally aspirated Cerb, so in the real world the Chimaera will be the faster car.
Run your supercharged 4 litre Chimaera on LPG and it'll be Ford Fiesta economical too
"Ferrari Fast - Fiesta Frugal"
The truth is on the road you'll be very hard pressed to notice any difference between the two in performance terms.
So in the end it comes down to refinement & drivability, and for me its the LS car that leads the way in this department, however I freely admit my time in a1rak's supercharged AJP Cerb was limited to short return run to & from the Ace Cafe around the North Circular and 2 junctions up the M1 and it was suffering detonation then.
I have to say every time I witness that LS engined Cerbera I'm left hugely impressed, it's not so much the immense power & endless torque (which is epic BTW) but it's the incredible refinement and drivability that means you can really use & enjoy all that power.
Going back to the Cerbera vs Chimaera debate I'll make two points:
1) You can always make a Chimaera Cerbera fast by adding forced induction, but you'll never enjoy the thrill of open air motoring in a Cerbera.
2) Weight!!! - I'll explain....
Forget what TVR said, a Cerbera carrying half a tank of fuel will weigh 1240kg.
A Chimaera with a similar fuel load will always be under 1100kg.
How does this extra 140kg affect things?
Well, for a Chimaera to match a1rak's 530hp Cerb power to weight ratio of 427 bhp per ton it needs to be putting out 470hp.
So to match the performance of a1rak's supercharged AJP Cerb all you need is a fairly standard 5 litre Chimaera with an SC Power supercharger kit, an after market ECU & a intercooler.
If you want to match a normally aspirated AJP Cerb it's even easier, all you need is a 4 litre Chimaera with an SC Power supercharger kit.
And your blown baby engined Chim will make more torque in a far more linear way than any normally aspirated Cerb, so in the real world the Chimaera will be the faster car.
Run your supercharged 4 litre Chimaera on LPG and it'll be Ford Fiesta economical too
"Ferrari Fast - Fiesta Frugal"
ChimpOnGas said:
For comparison I've been in a1rak's supercharged AJP Cerb (530bhp), and I've also been in (& driven) my mate's LS3 Cerb (480bhp).
The truth is on the road you'll be very hard pressed to notice any difference between the two in performance terms.
So in the end it comes down to refinement & drivability, and for me its the LS car that leads the way in this department, however I freely admit my time in a1rak's supercharged AJP Cerb was limited to short return run to & from the Ace Cafe around the North Circular and 2 junctions up the M1 and it was suffering detonation then.
I have to say every time I witness that LS engined Cerbera I'm left hugely impressed, it's not so much the immense power & endless torque (which is epic BTW) but it's the incredible refinement and drivability that means you can really use & enjoy all that power.
Going back to the Cerbera vs Chimaera debate I'll make two points:
1) You can always make a Chimaera Cerbera fast by adding forced induction, but you'll never enjoy the thrill of open air motoring in a Cerbera.
2) Weight!!! - I'll explain....
Forget what TVR said, a Cerbera carrying half a tank of fuel will weigh 1240kg.
A Chimaera with a similar fuel load will always be under 1100kg.
How does this extra 140kg affect things?
Well, for a Chimaera to match a1rak's 530hp Cerb power to weight ratio of 427 bhp per ton it needs to be putting out 470hp.
So to match the performance of a1rak's supercharged AJP Cerb all you need is a fairly standard 5 litre Chimaera with an SC Power supercharger kit, an after market ECU & a intercooler.
If you want to match a normally aspirated AJP Cerb it's even easier, all you need is a 4 litre Chimaera with an SC Power supercharger kit.
And your blown baby engined Chim will make more torque in a far more linear way than any normally aspirated Cerb, so in the real world the Chimaera will be the faster car.
Run your supercharged 4 litre Chimaera on LPG and it'll be Ford Fiesta economical too
"Ferrari Fast - Fiesta Frugal"
I was wondering how long it would take for you to join in. I thought you would give your common sense measured reply , Well done and thanks. I merely stated that the driver of the orange Chimp appears to say he has 570bhp on the video his thread from that point on you all went into meltdown. The truth is on the road you'll be very hard pressed to notice any difference between the two in performance terms.
So in the end it comes down to refinement & drivability, and for me its the LS car that leads the way in this department, however I freely admit my time in a1rak's supercharged AJP Cerb was limited to short return run to & from the Ace Cafe around the North Circular and 2 junctions up the M1 and it was suffering detonation then.
I have to say every time I witness that LS engined Cerbera I'm left hugely impressed, it's not so much the immense power & endless torque (which is epic BTW) but it's the incredible refinement and drivability that means you can really use & enjoy all that power.
Going back to the Cerbera vs Chimaera debate I'll make two points:
1) You can always make a Chimaera Cerbera fast by adding forced induction, but you'll never enjoy the thrill of open air motoring in a Cerbera.
2) Weight!!! - I'll explain....
Forget what TVR said, a Cerbera carrying half a tank of fuel will weigh 1240kg.
A Chimaera with a similar fuel load will always be under 1100kg.
How does this extra 140kg affect things?
Well, for a Chimaera to match a1rak's 530hp Cerb power to weight ratio of 427 bhp per ton it needs to be putting out 470hp.
So to match the performance of a1rak's supercharged AJP Cerb all you need is a fairly standard 5 litre Chimaera with an SC Power supercharger kit, an after market ECU & a intercooler.
If you want to match a normally aspirated AJP Cerb it's even easier, all you need is a 4 litre Chimaera with an SC Power supercharger kit.
And your blown baby engined Chim will make more torque in a far more linear way than any normally aspirated Cerb, so in the real world the Chimaera will be the faster car.
Run your supercharged 4 litre Chimaera on LPG and it'll be Ford Fiesta economical too
"Ferrari Fast - Fiesta Frugal"
Why were you not at the Ace café last week TVR's were out numbered by bloody Lotus's. You should encourage you fellow chimp owners to attend its usually a better night than the local TVR meets.
a1rak said:
I was wondering how long it would take for you to join in. I thought you would give your common sense measured reply , Well done and thanks. I merely stated that the driver of the orange Chimp appears to say he has 570bhp on the video his thread from that point on you all went into meltdown.
Hi ya Paul mate 
Maybe Nick just got over excited and added 200hp to impress his passenger
a1rak said:
Why were you not at the Ace café last week TVR's were out numbered by bloody Lotus's. You should encourage you fellow chimp owners to attend its usually a better night than the local TVR meets.
Cos I was in Malta 
I'll be at the next Ace meet on the 21st May, my round I think
I'm loving this thread BTW, stirred us Chimpsters up a treat
macdeb said:
If willies are to be waved, I have 458hp + 554lb ft. [in a Chimaera] 
PS; I like ALL TVR's
Torque counts, as does weight!!!PS; I like ALL TVR's
Edited by macdeb on Tuesday 22 April 09:11
554 Ft/Lbs in a 1100kg Chimaera is 503 Ft/Lbs per ton
... 
For comparison an 8 litre quad turbocharged W16 Bugatti Veyron makes 488 Ft/Lbs per ton, because its a big fat bloater
Mr macdeb, have you considered getting help?
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