Outrigger sleeving size?

Outrigger sleeving size?

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caduceus

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6,069 posts

265 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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Could anyone tell me the size of tube needed to internally sleeve Chimaera chassis tube please? OD and gauge.

I spoke to metals4you yesterday and it seems that they don't have any tube that you can hammer into the existing 38mm 16 gauge tube for a snug fit. They also don't have a tube that will fit snug on the outside either. If the sizes of pipe for internal/external sleeving don't exist, how do people get around this issue?

Thanks in advance
Cad

portzi

2,296 posts

174 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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caduceus said:
Could anyone tell me the size of tube needed to internally sleeve Chimaera chassis tube please? OD and gauge.

I spoke to metals4you yesterday and it seems that they don't have any tube that you can hammer into the existing 38mm 16 gauge tube for a snug fit. They also don't have a tube that will fit snug on the outside either. If the sizes of pipe for internal/external sleeving don't exist, how do people get around this issue?

Thanks in advance
Cad
Hi Ged. Having looked at your profile and amount of ph's posts you look quite an accomplished man of all trades. If your doing the outriggers yourself and don't know the answer to this question, please don't take this the wrong way as l am only trying to help. I would seriously consider putting your tools down and letting a engineer do it. I will give you a starter for ten. Simply hacksaw down the length of the tube wall making it into a split internal sleeve. But l must be honest that's basics, please get someone in who knows what they are doing as the worst case scenario is that you could injure yourself?

Also if you plan to sell the car on and if your refurb doesn't go to plan, its not fair on the buyer. Why l say this an acquaintance of mine bought a 430 with a chassis refurb only to find it was a bodged job on the welding so had to get it done again!!!


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Kitchski

6,514 posts

230 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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35mm is the size you need, though the snugness of the fit will depend on what gauge you've used. For alignment purposes all 35mm is fine, but if you want the snug fit you need to match the gauge. I would have suggested talking to metals4u, but.........

caduceus

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6,069 posts

265 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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Kitchski said:
35mm is the size you need, though the snugness of the fit will depend on what gauge you've used. For alignment purposes all 35mm is fine, but if you want the snug fit you need to match the gauge. I would have suggested talking to metals4u, but.........
Thanks for the reply. I'm going to be using the same gauge as is there originally, so 35mm will be too small unfortunately (by 1.4mm approx).

I kind of worded my original post wrong. The reason being I wanted to find out if there was some trick to filling the void of 1mm or so to make a snug fit. As another PHer mentioned 'hammering' in the tube to sleeve the joint before welding.
But I should have asked if there was a supplier of 36.4mm 14/16 gauge mild steel tube that I can phone..

Cheers

Challenger C4s

75 posts

173 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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Bought mine from "Hub Le Bas"
Good luck with the job
James

caduceus

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265 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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Challenger C4s said:
Bought mine from "Hub Le Bas"
Good luck with the job
James
Thanks smile They're going to ring me back after lunch.

portzi

2,296 posts

174 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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caduceus said:
Challenger C4s said:
Bought mine from "Hub Le Bas"
Good luck with the job
James
Thanks smile They're going to ring me back after lunch.
Have you got it sorted.
16swg =1.6MM X2 = 3.2
1" 1/2' = 38.1mm
38.1mm OD tube - 3.2 = 34.9mm BORE

Use 1" 3/8' equates to 34.9 mm OD tube. Hack saw a spit to make the split sleeve and OD smaller, and tap it into the bore. The sleeve will contract because of the split the hacksaw has made and will be under tension all the time.


jojackson4

3,026 posts

136 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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Get some pipe turned down to fit

davelittlewood

306 posts

132 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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jojackson4 said:
Get some pipe turned down to fit
what he said.

Just get in on a lathe. Taking a few mm of the diameter is 5 minutes, even on a old 1950s hand lathe.

Hammering the tube is never going to make it fit.

Out of interest, are you lifting the body? If not, how are you going to weld the top of the tubes?

portzi

2,296 posts

174 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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davelittlewood said:
jojackson4 said:
Get some pipe turned down to fit
what he said.

Just get in on a lathe. Taking a few mm of the diameter is 5 minutes, even on a old 1950s hand lathe.

Hammering the tube is never going to make it fit.

Out of interest, are you lifting the body? If not, how are you going to weld the top of the tubes?
Not everyone has a lathe in their garage.

caduceus

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265 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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davelittlewood said:
Out of interest, are you lifting the body? If not, how are you going to weld the top of the tubes?
The body is off the chassis already.

Cheers

jojackson4

3,026 posts

136 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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portzi said:
davelittlewood said:
jojackson4 said:
Get some pipe turned down to fit
what he said.

Just get in on a lathe. Taking a few mm of the diameter is 5 minutes, even on a old 1950s hand lathe.

Hammering the tube is never going to make it fit.

Out of interest, are you lifting the body? If not, how are you going to weld the top of the tubes?
Not everyone has a lathe in their garage.
£20 to the tea fund of most engineers shop will do it
Just take them a off cut of the pipe