T5 Gearbox Linkage
Discussion
stevesprint said:
That’s exact what I did when I installed the T5 into my Precat as seen in the last picture of the first post in this thread. http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
I chopped and welded the Griff, sorry chimmy lever (I keep forgetting I'm a visitor) to an adapter block I had machined. I can explain further but my approach was a little over engineered and not as elegant as g8ape blue lever adapter. Its worth keeping the rubber bush as it stops the heat travelling up the gear level.
You can also see in the second to last picture my support bracket that I fabricated which isn’t very complicated, in fact its easy to make in situ especially as you should recognise the middle section. For a further description have a read half way down this page, http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
I'll now crawl back to the Griff cave with my 14CUX and electric powered assisted steering so if you have any questions please do not hesitate to come and find me.
Best Wishes, Steve Sprint
Great post Steve Sprint, and good pish taking of my earlier cave comment, I love a it of banter I chopped and welded the Griff, sorry chimmy lever (I keep forgetting I'm a visitor) to an adapter block I had machined. I can explain further but my approach was a little over engineered and not as elegant as g8ape blue lever adapter. Its worth keeping the rubber bush as it stops the heat travelling up the gear level.
You can also see in the second to last picture my support bracket that I fabricated which isn’t very complicated, in fact its easy to make in situ especially as you should recognise the middle section. For a further description have a read half way down this page, http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
I'll now crawl back to the Griff cave with my 14CUX and electric powered assisted steering so if you have any questions please do not hesitate to come and find me.
Best Wishes, Steve Sprint
Thanks, Dave
Hi Dave, did you order a tail housing in the end? I've just ordered one of these http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Borg-Warner-Tremec-T5-S1... I've also found someone else to send me the shorter shaft for the top cover and an old electronic speedo sensor to blank the hole.
BoostedChim said:
Hi Dave, did you order a tail housing in the end? I've just ordered one of these http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Borg-Warner-Tremec-T5-S1... I've also found someone else to send me the shorter shaft for the top cover and an old electronic speedo sensor to blank the hole.
Nice find Boosted, and no I've not progressed the idea myself as I've been refurbishing my new house which seems to involve spending everything I've ever managed to save so I can live in a building site while all around me gets covered in a thick layer of dust.I can see all the TVR goodies slipping away from me with every day so I'll leave this little gearbox mod to you. Please update us on how it all pans out.
Yours "very skint" Dave.
Ps: Thank fek for the LPG or I doubt she'd turn a wheel this year, still there's always my annual dash to Le Mans to look forward to
Hi all, I thought I'd just pipe up and say that I had this mod done a couple of weeks ago off the back of this thread and a chat with John Reid and it works great! I ordered the bits from John and he sent me:
- A reconditioned (looked brand new) S10 tail
- New top section with all new bushes and the new selector etc so that the two complete units could just be swapped straight over (doing it in pieces can apparently get very tricky).
I had Dave Batty install the bits which he would have done in a day, except for one issue which we missed; the remote linkage in the Chimaera actually offsets the gear lever by about 2 inches toward the driver, so you can't just put the old lever back on. In the end Dave fabricated a dogleg lever which seems to work perfectly, and also like has been mentioned here he had to fabricate two plates to shift the mounting points to line up with the originals (which he said was very straightforward).
Would I recommend it? Yes definitely. The gearchange is much, much slicker and more like a .22 rifle bolt action now which makes the car even more of a pleasure to drive. The only thing is that now the gearchange is so nice and slick, it almost feels like the throw is a little longer than it needs to be so I've just a Burton Short shift kit which will be going on this week. I shall report back if it fits with a short review
P.S. What was also very interesting was that Dave said the inside of the gearbox looked like new, despite me having run a supercharger and somewhere over 400bhp & ft/lbs for several years now, including track days and several dyno sessions. So for all who are wondering on the life of T5 - it is fine with big power as long as you drive it properly
- A reconditioned (looked brand new) S10 tail
- New top section with all new bushes and the new selector etc so that the two complete units could just be swapped straight over (doing it in pieces can apparently get very tricky).
I had Dave Batty install the bits which he would have done in a day, except for one issue which we missed; the remote linkage in the Chimaera actually offsets the gear lever by about 2 inches toward the driver, so you can't just put the old lever back on. In the end Dave fabricated a dogleg lever which seems to work perfectly, and also like has been mentioned here he had to fabricate two plates to shift the mounting points to line up with the originals (which he said was very straightforward).
Would I recommend it? Yes definitely. The gearchange is much, much slicker and more like a .22 rifle bolt action now which makes the car even more of a pleasure to drive. The only thing is that now the gearchange is so nice and slick, it almost feels like the throw is a little longer than it needs to be so I've just a Burton Short shift kit which will be going on this week. I shall report back if it fits with a short review
P.S. What was also very interesting was that Dave said the inside of the gearbox looked like new, despite me having run a supercharger and somewhere over 400bhp & ft/lbs for several years now, including track days and several dyno sessions. So for all who are wondering on the life of T5 - it is fine with big power as long as you drive it properly
Edited by 450Nick on Wednesday 23 September 18:48
450Nick said:
Hi all, I thought I'd just pipe up and say that I had this mod done a couple of weeks ago off the back of this thread and a chat with John Reid and it works great! I ordered the bits from John and he sent me:
- A reconditioned (looked brand new) S10 tail
- New top section with all new bushes and the new selector etc so that the two complete units could just be swapped straight over (doing it in pieces can apparently get very tricky).
I had Dave Batty install the bits which he would have done in a day, except for one issue which we missed; the remote linkage in the Chimaera actually offsets the gear lever by about 2 inches toward the driver, so you can't just put the old lever back on. In the end Dave fabricated a dogleg lever which seems to work perfectly, and also like has been mentioned here he had to fabricate two plates to shift the mounting points to line up with the originals (which he said was very straightforward).
Would I recommend it? Yes definitely. The gearchange is much, much slicker and more like a .22 rifle bolt action now which makes the car even more of a pleasure to drive. The only thing is that now the gearchange is so nice and slick, it almost feels like the throw is a little longer than it needs to be so I've just a Burton Short shift kit which will be going on this week. I shall report back if it fits with a short review
P.S. What was also very interesting was that Dave said the inside of the gearbox looked like new, despite me having run a supercharger and somewhere over 400bhp & ft/lbs for several years now, including track days and several dyno sessions. So for all who are wondering on the life of T5 - it is fine with big power as long as you drive it properly
Brilliant - A reconditioned (looked brand new) S10 tail
- New top section with all new bushes and the new selector etc so that the two complete units could just be swapped straight over (doing it in pieces can apparently get very tricky).
I had Dave Batty install the bits which he would have done in a day, except for one issue which we missed; the remote linkage in the Chimaera actually offsets the gear lever by about 2 inches toward the driver, so you can't just put the old lever back on. In the end Dave fabricated a dogleg lever which seems to work perfectly, and also like has been mentioned here he had to fabricate two plates to shift the mounting points to line up with the originals (which he said was very straightforward).
Would I recommend it? Yes definitely. The gearchange is much, much slicker and more like a .22 rifle bolt action now which makes the car even more of a pleasure to drive. The only thing is that now the gearchange is so nice and slick, it almost feels like the throw is a little longer than it needs to be so I've just a Burton Short shift kit which will be going on this week. I shall report back if it fits with a short review
P.S. What was also very interesting was that Dave said the inside of the gearbox looked like new, despite me having run a supercharger and somewhere over 400bhp & ft/lbs for several years now, including track days and several dyno sessions. So for all who are wondering on the life of T5 - it is fine with big power as long as you drive it properly
Edited by 450Nick on Wednesday 23 September 18:48
450Nick said:
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The only thing is that now the gearchange is so nice and slick, it almost feels like the throw is a little longer than it needs to be so I've just a Burton Short shift kit which will be going on this week. I shall report back if it fits with a short review
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Hmmm ... this one?The only thing is that now the gearchange is so nice and slick, it almost feels like the throw is a little longer than it needs to be so I've just a Burton Short shift kit which will be going on this week. I shall report back if it fits with a short review
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http://www.burtonpower.com/parts-by-category/trans...
Just wondering if this would be OK?
http://www.americanmuscle.com/t5-t45-mustang-short...
Phil
I did look at that one and have seen some bad reviews. In the states the one with good reviews is the hurst one which looks exactly the same as the Burton Power one (and about the same price) so I would go with the Burton one as it is a quality, race proven product that a lot of the Tuscan boys use.
Another point to note is that the short shifter has a higher pivot point than stock, so the unit it taller and may not fit without modification to the trim. I'll let you know on this point when I get the car back this week, but at worst it should just be a minor persuasion...
Another point to note is that the short shifter has a higher pivot point than stock, so the unit it taller and may not fit without modification to the trim. I'll let you know on this point when I get the car back this week, but at worst it should just be a minor persuasion...
Edited by 450Nick on Thursday 24th September 00:07
I had the first test run in mine last night and it is much improved. I've been meaning to post some pictures. When I asked John Reid he said they won't sell the parts as kit and wanted me to sent the box up to them.
I took lots of measurements from points on the chassis & ground to make sure the output shaft ended up in same place with the new rear mount.
Stripping the box
While the transmission tunnel was empty I covered as much as I could fibreglass in heat reflective cloth, I find with the roof on it can get a bit hot especially in traffic.
New position, I used the green arrows to line up where the old lever came through
New rear mount, I had to modify it a bit further as after I took the photo as the back hit the exhuast box. My hammerite skills arent the best!
I took lots of measurements from points on the chassis & ground to make sure the output shaft ended up in same place with the new rear mount.
Stripping the box
While the transmission tunnel was empty I covered as much as I could fibreglass in heat reflective cloth, I find with the roof on it can get a bit hot especially in traffic.
New position, I used the green arrows to line up where the old lever came through
New rear mount, I had to modify it a bit further as after I took the photo as the back hit the exhuast box. My hammerite skills arent the best!
450Nick said:
I did look at that one and have seen some bad reviews. In the states the one with good reviews is the hurst one which looks exactly the same as the Burton Power one (and about the same price) so I would go with the Burton one as it is a quality, race proven product that a lot of the Tuscan boys use.
Another point to note is that the short shifter has a higher pivot point than stock, so the unit it taller and may not fit without modification to the trim. I'll let you know on this point when I get the car back this week, but at worst it should just be a minor persuasion...
I'm not sure that is a straight swap as the pivot mechanism on ours is almost square, where as the cossie one is a longer rectangle. Ideally we need the chevy type shifter like this. But you should be able to drill two new holes for the front bolts and just have the top plate overhanging.Another point to note is that the short shifter has a higher pivot point than stock, so the unit it taller and may not fit without modification to the trim. I'll let you know on this point when I get the car back this week, but at worst it should just be a minor persuasion...
BoostedChim said:
I'm not sure that is a straight swap as the pivot mechanism on ours is almost square, where as the cossie one is a longer rectangle. Ideally we need the chevy type shifter like this. But you should be able to drill two new holes for the front bolts and just have the top plate overhanging.
I think you might be right there, the one I've bought came from a bloke with a Tuscan who used it on his so hopefully it will fit, I will update...- chuckle* I really must *NOT* order one ... I have to stop spending on this bloody car!!!
Phil
Bassfiend229hp said:
*chuckle* I really must *NOT* order one ... I have to stop spending on this bloody car!!!
Hopefully the fact that it's a 'brand new' gearbox *AND* has had the shift linkage removed by having the different tailhousing fitted will make enough of a difference from the old box (with its knackered 2nd-3rd synchro) for me to be blissfully happy for a while.
Phil
Hopefully the fact that it's a 'brand new' gearbox *AND* has had the shift linkage removed by having the different tailhousing fitted will make enough of a difference from the old box (with its knackered 2nd-3rd synchro) for me to be blissfully happy for a while.
Phil
ORRRRDDDEEEEEERRRRRR OOOOONNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEE!!!!!BoostedChim said:
I had the first test run in mine last night and it is much improved. I've been meaning to post some pictures. When I asked John Reid he said they won't sell the parts as kit and wanted me to sent the box up to them.
I took lots of measurements from points on the chassis & ground to make sure the output shaft ended up in same place with the new rear mount.
Stripping the box
While the transmission tunnel was empty I covered as much as I could fibreglass in heat reflective cloth, I find with the roof on it can get a bit hot especially in traffic.
New position, I used the green arrows to line up where the old lever came through
New rear mount, I had to modify it a bit further as after I took the photo as the back hit the exhuast box. My hammerite skills arent the best!
This is excellent stuff Boosted thanks for actually doing the mod then presenting here, rather than just talking about it like me.I took lots of measurements from points on the chassis & ground to make sure the output shaft ended up in same place with the new rear mount.
Stripping the box
While the transmission tunnel was empty I covered as much as I could fibreglass in heat reflective cloth, I find with the roof on it can get a bit hot especially in traffic.
New position, I used the green arrows to line up where the old lever came through
New rear mount, I had to modify it a bit further as after I took the photo as the back hit the exhuast box. My hammerite skills arent the best!
Ok I started this post because the S10 tail housing made a lot of sense to me and let's be honest even TVR admitted their linkage was less than ideal by the fact they deleted it in the later T cars.
I got a bit distracted by a T56 for a while but have come full circle back to my original S10 idea. I've just put my money where my mouth is and bought an S10 tail housing so your photos of the job will come in really helpful.
I now need some advise on the quick shift element, I see you pointed to this one...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Core-Hurst-SST-Shifter-Bas...
If you read the seller's description it seems there are actually quite few options on offer, any idea what I need exactly?
Many thanks for any advise you can give but especially for taking the lead and getting the mod done.
Now I have the S10 tail housing I would be grateful if you could make a simple list of the other components I'll need to finish the job (bracket, correct quick shifter and the right gear lever, ect).
Cheers, Dave
ChimpOnGas said:
This is excellent stuff Boosted thanks for actually doing the mod then presenting here, rather than just talking about it like me.
Ok I started this post because the S10 tail housing made a lot of sense to me and let's be honest even TVR admitted their linkage was less than ideal by the fact they deleted it in the later T cars.
I got a bit distracted by a T56 for a while but have come full circle back to my original S10 idea. I've just put my money where my mouth is and bought an S10 tail housing so your photos of the job will come in really helpful.
I now need some advise on the quick shift element, I see you pointed to this one...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Core-Hurst-SST-Shifter-Bas...
If you read the seller's description it seems there are actually quite few options on offer, any idea what I need exactly?
Many thanks for any advise you can give but especially for taking the lead and getting the mod done.
Now I have the S10 tail housing I would be grateful if you could make a simple list of the other components I'll need to finish the job (bracket, correct quick shifter and the right gear lever, ect).
Cheers, Dave
You'll need a speedo sensor of some kind (depends on the tail mech or elec) to block the hole, mine did come with an elec one although it wasn't in the description. You'll also need the shorter top shaft for the selector forks or you could cut your existing one down and drill a new hole for the roll pin. I didn't fancy drilling it as it'll probably be hardened and the angle is quite critical. I got mine from a breaker in the states that was advertising a complete top cover, shaft and forks. It wasn't too expensive so I paid what he was asking and he agreed to split it and just send the shaft to make the postage cheaper. Some thing like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/S10-Borg-Warner-T5-Transmi...Ok I started this post because the S10 tail housing made a lot of sense to me and let's be honest even TVR admitted their linkage was less than ideal by the fact they deleted it in the later T cars.
I got a bit distracted by a T56 for a while but have come full circle back to my original S10 idea. I've just put my money where my mouth is and bought an S10 tail housing so your photos of the job will come in really helpful.
I now need some advise on the quick shift element, I see you pointed to this one...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Core-Hurst-SST-Shifter-Bas...
If you read the seller's description it seems there are actually quite few options on offer, any idea what I need exactly?
Many thanks for any advise you can give but especially for taking the lead and getting the mod done.
Now I have the S10 tail housing I would be grateful if you could make a simple list of the other components I'll need to finish the job (bracket, correct quick shifter and the right gear lever, ect).
Cheers, Dave
Have a read of this it shows a braver alternative to the s10 tail! http://lugnutz65chevystepside.weebly.com/a-possibl...
If you do buy the tail from the same seller I did you'll need to remove a bit of material from the selector plate that needs swapping from your old one to clear fifth gear. I chipped a tooth on mine finding out! If anyone has a S10 tail handy a picture of the bottom of the selector plate would be good.
I haven't changed the shifter on mine as I find the standard one doesn't have a lot of throw anyway. I have used "short shifters" before that are so close they make it hard to tell if you're in 1st or 3rd, not a mistake you want to make going 2nd to 3rd! I might changed my mind though if anyone else fancies being the guinea pig
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