Another body off - build thread and questions
Discussion
Some more progress has been made, now just need to get somewhere local to shot blast it to see exactly what we are dealing with.
The rear of the car is looking mostly dismantled (diff still to go). I had some issues with a couple of bolts rounding off which will need to be taken out in the vice but no major catastrophes.
I think the chassis definitely looks repairable - outriggers need replacing along with some lower chassis tube that runs past the N/S manifold but haven't managed to put a screwdriver anywhere else as yet.
Headlights are on the list to do (forgot to include them on previous post) - I have had new reflectors sitting in the kitchen for the last few months as the old ones are badly corroded
Going to look into seat mounting plates - have seen them on some body offs before and look like a good idea - does anyone have any measurements/drawings for these?
I hopefully should be ok with dampers - currently has Gaz Golds on which are a few years old.
With any luck, everything should be fully stripped by the end of the weekend, then on with the fun task of removing bushes........
The rear of the car is looking mostly dismantled (diff still to go). I had some issues with a couple of bolts rounding off which will need to be taken out in the vice but no major catastrophes.
I think the chassis definitely looks repairable - outriggers need replacing along with some lower chassis tube that runs past the N/S manifold but haven't managed to put a screwdriver anywhere else as yet.
Headlights are on the list to do (forgot to include them on previous post) - I have had new reflectors sitting in the kitchen for the last few months as the old ones are badly corroded
Going to look into seat mounting plates - have seen them on some body offs before and look like a good idea - does anyone have any measurements/drawings for these?
I hopefully should be ok with dampers - currently has Gaz Golds on which are a few years old.
With any luck, everything should be fully stripped by the end of the weekend, then on with the fun task of removing bushes........
TuscanNick said:
Most importantly, those chassis bolts in the centre tunnel are now free and out (god only knows how they will be reconnected with cables etc in place) - in the end I went with cutting the carpet method as I would probably make more mess trying to unstick/restick it around the dash later. Surprisingly easy, the first part of the car that didn't seem entirely welded together with rust!
On mine they went in a lot easier than I expected.Just make sure you make a note of how many cables are on each one now.
When you put the cables back on when bolting it back together the cables almost guide it into place. Then apply genial pressure to the top of the bolt and screw away.
Edited by chimyellow on Thursday 30th April 18:47
[report][news] 17:06 Some more progress has been made, now just need to get somewhere local to shot blast it to see exactly what we are dealing with.The rear of the car is looking mostly dismantled (diff still to go). I had some issues with a couple of bolts rounding off which will need to be taken out in the vice but no major catastrophes.I think the chassis definitely looks repairable - outriggers need replacing along with some lower chassis tube that runs past the N/S manifold but haven't managed to put a screwdriver anywhere else as yet.Headlights are on the list to do (forgot to include them on previous post) - I have had new reflectors sitting in the kitchen for the last few months as the old ones are badly corrodedGoing to look into seat mounting plates - have seen them on some body offs before and look like a good idea - does anyone have any measurements/drawings for these?I hopefully should be ok with dampers - currently has Gaz Golds on which are a few years old.With any luck, everything should be fully stripped by the end of the weekend, then on with the fun task of removing bushes.
The seat mounting plates are formed when the body is put back on the chassis and tack welded insitu so they are a perfect fit then the body is removed again to be welded up. Alot of work involved to suit each individual car.
The seat mounting plates are formed when the body is put back on the chassis and tack welded insitu so they are a perfect fit then the body is removed again to be welded up. Alot of work involved to suit each individual car.
Thought I should probably update this for the last weeks worth of work.
The chassis is now totally stripped and ready for shot blasting which should be happening later this week. The diff came out a lot easier than expected - mounting brackets all done up tightly but once these were removed, the diff was rotated 90 degrees and dropped out of the bottom with no issue.
Once the diff was out, we set to splitting the engine and gearbox. The clutch was removed along with the flywheel to enable us to mount the engine on the stand.
Another slightly better view of the underside of the chassis
I spent quite a while dismantling things further to get them ready for shotblasting and painting but it's fairly hard to get interesting pictures of them - drop links removed from ARBs, front and rear wishbones and ball joints taken apart. There were a few challenging bolts along the way, including a few rounding off and shearing but all removed now.
As I wanted to see some progress rather than just taking things apart, I have been cleaning the engine and gearbox up a bit, see below
I have a fun few evenings removing bushes planned for this week along with ordering lots of new parts
The chassis is now totally stripped and ready for shot blasting which should be happening later this week. The diff came out a lot easier than expected - mounting brackets all done up tightly but once these were removed, the diff was rotated 90 degrees and dropped out of the bottom with no issue.
Once the diff was out, we set to splitting the engine and gearbox. The clutch was removed along with the flywheel to enable us to mount the engine on the stand.
Another slightly better view of the underside of the chassis
I spent quite a while dismantling things further to get them ready for shotblasting and painting but it's fairly hard to get interesting pictures of them - drop links removed from ARBs, front and rear wishbones and ball joints taken apart. There were a few challenging bolts along the way, including a few rounding off and shearing but all removed now.
As I wanted to see some progress rather than just taking things apart, I have been cleaning the engine and gearbox up a bit, see below
I have a fun few evenings removing bushes planned for this week along with ordering lots of new parts
Few questions to gauge opinion from those in the know:
- Brake lines - all look in decent condition (dirty but serviceable). Polish up and put back on the car or replace with new?
- Fuel lines - why is some run in copper and some in rubber? What advantage does this give? Should I replace like for like or run rubber tube for all?
- Heatshielding - am I best off buying preformed from PH classifieds or making up myself (if so, what is needed)?
- Wrapping exhaust manifolds - worthwhile whilst I have them off the car?
- CV joints - small amount of play in one, others appear ok -- worth replacing whilst everything is dismantled or pointless?
Seatbelt mounting brackets sounds good but a lot of extra work. I will have a chat to the welder to decide whether to do or not. Thanks for feedback
- Brake lines - all look in decent condition (dirty but serviceable). Polish up and put back on the car or replace with new?
- Fuel lines - why is some run in copper and some in rubber? What advantage does this give? Should I replace like for like or run rubber tube for all?
- Heatshielding - am I best off buying preformed from PH classifieds or making up myself (if so, what is needed)?
- Wrapping exhaust manifolds - worthwhile whilst I have them off the car?
- CV joints - small amount of play in one, others appear ok -- worth replacing whilst everything is dismantled or pointless?
Seatbelt mounting brackets sounds good but a lot of extra work. I will have a chat to the welder to decide whether to do or not. Thanks for feedback
TuscanNick said:
Few questions to gauge opinion from those in the know:
- Brake lines - all look in decent condition (dirty but serviceable). Polish up and put back on the car or replace with new?
When the car is in this state, and when you're doing this amount of work, IMO it's worth renewing all of it. I will be.
- Fuel lines - why is some run in copper and some in rubber? What advantage does this give? Should I replace like for like or run rubber tube for all?
As I see it, the stuff run in copper is the statis stuff that never really needs to be moved out of the way for routine maintenance,etc. the rubber is in places where it will be need to be moved out of the way at some point. Just MHO
- Heatshielding - am I best off buying preformed from PH classifieds or making up myself (if so, what is needed)?
There are plenty of suppliers of this stuff, and you might as well do it properly. GPR sell some nice stuff. But hunt around for your favoured budget/style.
- Wrapping exhaust manifolds - worthwhile whilst I have them off the car?
This is a much debated topic. Some say it's good for reducing under bonnet temps, other say it just moves it further down. Do some research on here and make an informed choice. All our cars have managed up till now without it. But that doesn't mean to say that it isn't better off with it. As a personal choice, I will be wrapping mine up to the centre box.
- CV joints - small amount of play in one, others appear ok -- worth replacing whilst everything is dismantled or pointless?
Yes. Replace, both. That said, is the car a keeper?
Seatbelt mounting brackets sounds good but a lot of extra work. I will have a chat to the welder to decide whether to do or not. Thanks for feedback
HTH- Brake lines - all look in decent condition (dirty but serviceable). Polish up and put back on the car or replace with new?
When the car is in this state, and when you're doing this amount of work, IMO it's worth renewing all of it. I will be.
- Fuel lines - why is some run in copper and some in rubber? What advantage does this give? Should I replace like for like or run rubber tube for all?
As I see it, the stuff run in copper is the statis stuff that never really needs to be moved out of the way for routine maintenance,etc. the rubber is in places where it will be need to be moved out of the way at some point. Just MHO
- Heatshielding - am I best off buying preformed from PH classifieds or making up myself (if so, what is needed)?
There are plenty of suppliers of this stuff, and you might as well do it properly. GPR sell some nice stuff. But hunt around for your favoured budget/style.
- Wrapping exhaust manifolds - worthwhile whilst I have them off the car?
This is a much debated topic. Some say it's good for reducing under bonnet temps, other say it just moves it further down. Do some research on here and make an informed choice. All our cars have managed up till now without it. But that doesn't mean to say that it isn't better off with it. As a personal choice, I will be wrapping mine up to the centre box.
- CV joints - small amount of play in one, others appear ok -- worth replacing whilst everything is dismantled or pointless?
Yes. Replace, both. That said, is the car a keeper?
Seatbelt mounting brackets sounds good but a lot of extra work. I will have a chat to the welder to decide whether to do or not. Thanks for feedback
TuscanNick said:
Few questions to gauge opinion from those in the know:
- Brake lines - all look in decent condition (dirty but serviceable). Polish up and put back on the car or replace with new?
My brake lines are perfectly serviceable, like yours, I am refitting them.
- Fuel lines - why is some run in copper and some in rubber? What advantage does this give? Should I replace like for like or run rubber tube for all?
Replace like for like. Both my fuel pipes and hoses were looking the worse for wear and so will be replaced.
- Heatshielding - am I best off buying preformed from PH classifieds or making up myself (if so, what is needed)?
I made my own up using the old ones as templates - I think I used a metre square sheet, bought from APT - see my "J400 GED Chimaera chassis refurb" thread.
- Wrapping exhaust manifolds - worthwhile whilst I have them off the car?
Yes, it helps protect all components around the manifolds including the chassis rails.
- CV joints - small amount of play in one, others appear ok -- worth replacing whilst everything is dismantled or pointless?
Replace.
Seatbelt mounting brackets sounds good but a lot of extra work. I will have a chat to the welder to decide whether to do or not. Thanks for feedback
Which seatbelt mounting brackets do you mean?
- Brake lines - all look in decent condition (dirty but serviceable). Polish up and put back on the car or replace with new?
My brake lines are perfectly serviceable, like yours, I am refitting them.
- Fuel lines - why is some run in copper and some in rubber? What advantage does this give? Should I replace like for like or run rubber tube for all?
Replace like for like. Both my fuel pipes and hoses were looking the worse for wear and so will be replaced.
- Heatshielding - am I best off buying preformed from PH classifieds or making up myself (if so, what is needed)?
I made my own up using the old ones as templates - I think I used a metre square sheet, bought from APT - see my "J400 GED Chimaera chassis refurb" thread.
- Wrapping exhaust manifolds - worthwhile whilst I have them off the car?
Yes, it helps protect all components around the manifolds including the chassis rails.
- CV joints - small amount of play in one, others appear ok -- worth replacing whilst everything is dismantled or pointless?
Replace.
Seatbelt mounting brackets sounds good but a lot of extra work. I will have a chat to the welder to decide whether to do or not. Thanks for feedback
Which seatbelt mounting brackets do you mean?
TuscanNick said:
Few questions to gauge opinion from those in the know:
- Brake lines - all look in decent condition (dirty but serviceable). Polish up and put back on the car or replace with new?
- Fuel lines - why is some run in copper and some in rubber? What advantage does this give? Should I replace like for like or run rubber tube for all?
- Heatshielding - am I best off buying preformed from PH classifieds or making up myself (if so, what is needed)?
- Wrapping exhaust manifolds - worthwhile whilst I have them off the car?
- CV joints - small amount of play in one, others appear ok -- worth replacing whilst everything is dismantled or pointless?
Seatbelt mounting brackets sounds good but a lot of extra work. I will have a chat to the welder to decide whether to do or not. Thanks for feedback
I would renew every line, pipe, bearing, bush, TRE etc as you are only visiting once.- Brake lines - all look in decent condition (dirty but serviceable). Polish up and put back on the car or replace with new?
- Fuel lines - why is some run in copper and some in rubber? What advantage does this give? Should I replace like for like or run rubber tube for all?
- Heatshielding - am I best off buying preformed from PH classifieds or making up myself (if so, what is needed)?
- Wrapping exhaust manifolds - worthwhile whilst I have them off the car?
- CV joints - small amount of play in one, others appear ok -- worth replacing whilst everything is dismantled or pointless?
Seatbelt mounting brackets sounds good but a lot of extra work. I will have a chat to the welder to decide whether to do or not. Thanks for feedback
What's a few hundred pounds in the scheme of things.
Thanks for all the input guys - looks like I've put the cat amongst the pigeons regarding refit/replace brake lines. The car is definitely a keeper, so worth replacing perishables whilst access is easy. How much work is involved in making/flaring brake lines? Still slightly undecided on this as existing lines don't appear to be corroded.
Fuel lines will be replaces like for like and I'll look at APT/GPR for heatshield. Anyone got any idea how many metres will be needed to do both front wings, bulkhead and then running back along transmission tunnel? Ideally would like to reduce the amount of heat soak in the cabin.
What's everyone's opinion on lightening and balancing the flywheel whilst it is off the car - JE can do this via post?
Fuel lines will be replaces like for like and I'll look at APT/GPR for heatshield. Anyone got any idea how many metres will be needed to do both front wings, bulkhead and then running back along transmission tunnel? Ideally would like to reduce the amount of heat soak in the cabin.
What's everyone's opinion on lightening and balancing the flywheel whilst it is off the car - JE can do this via post?
Twistygit said:
If you don't mind me asking what did you use to clean the engine and box they have come up well. I started this task last night, many more nights ahead I think
I used a combination of a can of Jizer, some spray engine degreaser, assorted brushes and a small steam cleaner. Just make sure everything is well masked off!!TuscanNick said:
... Anyone got any idea how many metres will be needed to do both front wings, bulkhead and then running back along transmission tunnel? Ideally would like to reduce the amount of heat soak in the cabin....
For the engine bay, you will need 1m wide by 1.5m long - mine came off a 1m wide roll - you can get varying thicknesses which is down to your own personal choice.For the transmission tunnel, this is different whereby it is approximately 20mm foam with an aluminium top layer, glued and riveted on. The amount you require obviously depends on how much you want to cover but I would estimate 1m by 0.5m to cover the upper surface of the trans tunnel back to the gearlever opening (best you double check that).
Hope this helps
Ged
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