Non Starter Fuel pump not priming,is it this in my photo

Non Starter Fuel pump not priming,is it this in my photo

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TVRJAS

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2,391 posts

128 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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Went to start the car last night but wasn't getting the fuel pump prime whirl noise. The car was used the day before and I did notice that it was a bit hesitant,hard to explain but it sort of made a bubble noise then it kicked in to prime,stopped and primed again and started and drove no issue.

Last night Nothing... The alarm is working and have all power. This morning tried again and at first it primed which caught me by surprise so I didn't try to start it. Turned the key to off then tried again and no prime again.

I then looked in the passenger foot well and gave the enclosed picture white thingy a flick and a squeeze and it primed and started.



I tried multiple times and all good,prime every time and started every time. I then went back to the garage to take this picture and after moving this white plastic thing I've got no prime again. I flicked and moved it around again and it primed again and started,I then tucked it back up and no prime again.

I have read previous threads talking of Fuse and fuel relays and to my limited knowledge this is not the relay,I thought relays were square. As you might of gathered i'm not of the tinkering or knowledgeable kind when it comes to things like this,i don't even know what this white thing is called. It appears that this is the culprit so please can someone advise what it's called and how I go about replacing.

As always any help greatly appreciated.


Colin RedGriff

2,526 posts

256 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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No that's not the relay. It's a metal cube about an inch along each side. There are two on efor the ECU and one for the fuel pump. If you dig around in the footwell you will find a load of spaghetti wiring and loose in amongst that lot are the relays.

Can't remember which is which but seaarch on the forum someone recently posted up a really clear phot with label for what each one did.

N7GTX

7,823 posts

142 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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Looks like a block connector to me. If you squeeze the tabs on the top and bottom together then you can pull it apart. May just be some surface corrosion on the pins inside so a squirt with WD40 or electrical contact cleaner may be all it needs. Simply push it back together and fingers crossed....

TVRJAS

Original Poster:

2,391 posts

128 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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Thanks for the replies thumbup

RedGriff... Yeah i was pretty sure it wasn't the relays and further prodding I can see the two relays,one going into a blue casing and one into black.

N7gtx.... Tried as you said by pulling apart the Block Connector(Thank you for naming it) and spraying and had no joy.

I then pulled apart the two relays and squirted WD in the connectors pushed back on and "hey presto" prime and started,Tried multiple times and worked every time.

Now in my bull at a gate frame of mind I'm not 100% that when pulling off the relays from black and blue that they went back on in the same order.

I've looked at them and they are both marked with exactly the same codes... So does it matter? They Also both have a date stamp of 2009. So to be safe I think ordering two new ones wouldn't be a bad idea.

So if I can ask your advice on does it matter which relay goes into the black or blue outer casing..

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And could that Block connector stop the fuel pump priming? Or was it just coincidence that when I flicked and wiggled it that it worked?

Edited by TVRJAS on Saturday 25th April 14:35

Colin RedGriff

2,526 posts

256 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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No it doesn't matter, they are the same relay. But they are not the same as the other (normal) relays. Make sure you order the right ones

TVRJAS

Original Poster:

2,391 posts

128 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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Thanks Colin for confirming.

Have been back and forth over to the car since posting about spraying the WD in and has worked every time.

Just had a look on Racetech and their fuel relay is silver,my two relays are white.My limited knowledge is that the relay going into the blue casing is the fuel relay.. But what is the other one.

The picture enclosed is from an old query so please ignore what i'm holding... But my relays are white plastic.





And this is RT's fuel relay..



Sorry if coming across as dumb... But I amsmile

ukdj

1,004 posts

183 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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Jas,

the other white relay is for the ecu, the original relays were metal cased with red stripe usually, the newer bosch equivalents are in a brown plastic case

hope this pic helps explain what does what







6 is for the land rover basic fault code reader

Edited by ukdj on Saturday 25th April 16:47

TVRJAS

Original Poster:

2,391 posts

128 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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Thanks for posting and the info Paul,

So really i don't need to replace the ECU one then.. If I order the attached photo I enclosed from Racetech silver red stripe(Although it might now be brown) Part No. TVR M0124 am I doing things right?


http://www.racetechdirect.co.uk/tvr-relays-and-sol...

Edited by TVRJAS on Saturday 25th April 17:14

TVRJAS

Original Poster:

2,391 posts

128 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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Just to confirm it's defiantly the fuel relay.. Just went over to the car and no priming again,disconnected the fuel relay(Blue one) gave it a wipe plugged back in and it primed and started.

ukdj

1,004 posts

183 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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Jas,

the relay in the blue socket is the fuel relay and is the same as the ecu one, the relay from racetech is the correct one.

The fuel/ecu relays work together (wont go into details of how the circuit works, unless you want me to?) and I would replace them both at the same time.

P

TVRJAS

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2,391 posts

128 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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No need for the explanation Paul... It would go totally over my head.

So just to make it 100% clear to this numpty.. order two of those from my link which will come brown.

ukdj

1,004 posts

183 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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Yes order two, replace them both (maybe brown but colour not the issue, it just needs the internal diode, which the racetech relay you linked does)

also worth checking the condition of the wiring to the relay sockets just in case of a dodgy connection etc, having that spaghetti loose/coiled up in in the footwell isn't an ideal scenario and over time can lead to wiring "issues".

TVRJAS

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2,391 posts

128 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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Great stuff.. Thanking you very muchly Paulthumbup

m4ckg

625 posts

190 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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I had the same issue a couple of weeks ago, bought mine from Eurocar parts. Both for £19