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SILICONEKID345HP

14,997 posts

231 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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Is a similar spec as mine ?

Out of interest what does a self build to that spec cost ?

DangerousDerek

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8,655 posts

220 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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SILICONEKID345HP said:
Is a similar spec as mine ?

Out of interest what does a self build to that spec cost ?
Yes it wouldn't suprise me if yours was very similar Daz.

I think i got a fair deal overall from Roland at ACR.
Block work, crank, rods, pistons, bearings and seals £2800.

DangerousDerek

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8,655 posts

220 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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Pants. A set back i didnt need.

These are supposed to be brand new Crower solid lifters


phazed

21,844 posts

204 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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Is that rust to Derek?

DangerousDerek

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220 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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phazed said:
Is that rust to Derek?
looks like it to me.
From V8 tuner. The order was rushed out to me.

phazed

21,844 posts

204 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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They are solid steel so if they clean up and it is only a sort of rust stain then you're good to go!

portzi

2,296 posts

175 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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DangerousDerek said:
Pants. A set back i didnt need.

These are supposed to be brand new Crower solid lifters

Looks like the person packing didn't wear his gloves, very acidic fingers maybe. Will it clean off?

I've seen this on freshly turned or ground steel parts , machinist has made them the day before had his clean hands on them whilst packing them away, come the morning all rusted, you're better having hands with coolant and oil on them whilst handling precision machined parts funny as that sounds !!!!!


Edited by portzi on Saturday 20th June 15:48


Edited by portzi on Saturday 20th June 15:49

SILICONEKID345HP

14,997 posts

231 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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DangerousDerek said:
Yes it wouldn't suprise me if yours was very similar Daz.

I think i got a fair deal overall from Roland at ACR.
Block work, crank, rods, pistons, bearings and seals £2800.
An engine that spec built must be over 6k built ,how many hours do you think it takes to build ? looks like a very good business .

Sardonicus

18,962 posts

221 months

Sunday 21st June 2015
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Back em Derek its not worth the risk frown I wouldnt fit em even if cleaned off there will still be damage however small and seeing these have the potential to eat you new motor

phazed

21,844 posts

204 months

Sunday 21st June 2015
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Sardonicus said:
Back em Derek its not worth the risk frown I wouldnt fit em even if cleaned off there will still be damage however small and seeing these have the potential to eat you new motor
I think that you are right, microscopic pitting will start wear in a short time.

The poor flat tap pet cam is under enough pressure with double valve springs!

DangerousDerek

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8,655 posts

220 months

Sunday 21st June 2015
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Paul answered my email and said he would sort it out on Monday. By that i assume he means sending me a fresh set.

I got bigger problems however. The new crank is sticking at less than 70lb on the main ARPs and i see a crack in the thin metal behind the bottom of the replaced top hat liner. I am waiting on Roland to get back to me.

In the meantime i m trying to figure out how to set up my dial gauge to check the crank for any run out.
I think it will have to go back to ACR for a line bore maybe.

carsy

3,018 posts

165 months

Sunday 21st June 2015
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I have tried studs on the mains in the past and found the same as you when done up to 70ish. Crank goes tight.

The standard bolts only go to 52lbft. When re tried at that everything was fine and that engine ran great. Never bothered with studs since.

If you think about it 70 is a big increase plus you have the fine, lubed thread of the arps`s, so its going to create a lot more pressure.

Maybe the answer is a line bore with them done up to the torque you want. Or dont use them.


ETA. John Eales told me to forget studs on the bottom end. he said a standard cross bolted bottom end is good enough for anything and thats all he uses and recommends.

Edited by carsy on Sunday 21st June 10:08

DangerousDerek

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Sunday 21st June 2015
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I had no issues with the studs at 80lb on the old crank.
There is something not right and it needs checking properly.

carsy

3,018 posts

165 months

Sunday 21st June 2015
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R ok then. Yes does sound something amiss then.

DangerousDerek

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220 months

Sunday 21st June 2015
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I am getting 6 thou run out on the centre journal.
Roland at ACR tells me this is within limits for a heat treated crank.

I am not sure i am comfortable with it.

carsy

3,018 posts

165 months

Sunday 21st June 2015
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Hmmm. know what you mean. What lb ft does it start tightening up at.

DangerousDerek

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Sunday 21st June 2015
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After a chat with Roland i have refitted the crank following his procedure and tightening the side bolts in step with the mains. All seems fine now, turning over nice and smooth by hand.

carsy

3,018 posts

165 months

Sunday 21st June 2015
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thumbup

phazed

21,844 posts

204 months

Sunday 21st June 2015
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A little knowledge is dangerous, that's why we "live and learn" smile

I'm glad it's all working out.

QBee

20,984 posts

144 months

Sunday 21st June 2015
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Sounds like your good manners have managed to keep your suppliers keen to please you Derek. Hope it all goes well.