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phazed

21,844 posts

204 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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What valve clearances are you going to use cold Derek?

Don't forget, time in three times and check four times, you only have one chance!

DangerousDerek

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8,655 posts

220 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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phazed said:
What valve clearances are you going to use cold Derek?

Don't forget, time in three times and check four times, you only have one chance!
I have the JP timing gears. Its not that difficult. Having done it fairly recently should be easy. Will double check though, i am checking everything carefully on this one.

Not got to thinking about lash yet, got work to do on the JE outrigger posts first.

phazed

21,844 posts

204 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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Both Simon and my posts wouldn't fit over the shafts.

We had to ease the insides so they slipped over the shafts.

Why design a part if it doesn't fit?

DangerousDerek

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8,655 posts

220 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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phazed said:
Both Simon and my posts wouldn't fit over the shafts.

We had to ease the insides so they slipped over the shafts.

Why design a part if it doesn't fit?
Maybe they are designed for shafts at the lower end of tolerances.
John did phone me and said i need to drill open the front posts to 10.3-10.5mm and 8mm deep for the oil supply to be sufficient.

spend

12,581 posts

251 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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If they are alloy pedestals, you want them tight to allow for the differential thermal expansion. Soak them in boiling water and then fit quickly.

phazed

21,844 posts

204 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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spend said:
If they are alloy pedestals, you want them tight to allow for the differential thermal expansion. Soak them in boiling water and then fit quickly.
I originally heated mine up and fitted them but they were such a tight fit that one split!

I then eased the insides until they were a better shrink fit on the shafts.

DangerousDerek

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8,655 posts

220 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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Cam timing aaargh.
I now have a headache.

Seems despite the maximum advance setting on the JP timing gear of +6 degree, the cam is still at -4 degree retarded.

phazed

21,844 posts

204 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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Can you just dial it in, forget the fancy fandangoisms.

DangerousDerek

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8,655 posts

220 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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phazed said:
Can you just dial it in, forget the fancy fandangoisms.
?????


phazed

21,844 posts

204 months

Saturday 27th June 2015
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Right, from memory after a few vinos.

Forget the dots and adjustments.

Find and make your TDC pointer and aim it at your timing disc.
Find TDC, (after setting the cam timing approx).
Set up your dial gauge on the rocker end of inlet, cylinder No1.
Turn crank counting from TDC and the first movement of the dial gauge should be at the setting of the cam specific,(ie, 108 degrees).
If out, move the chain around a tooth or 2 until you get the nearest to it.
When you do, reverse the engine rotation and take the average inbetween clockwise and anti-clockwise rotation.

You will then end up with the inlet starting to open at about 108 degrees before TDC.

Job done.

I usually check several times and end up taking half a day, (including tea breaks) smile

DangerousDerek

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8,655 posts

220 months

Sunday 28th June 2015
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phazed said:
Right, from memory after a few vinos.

Forget the dots and adjustments.

Find and make your TDC pointer and aim it at your timing disc.
Find TDC, (after setting the cam timing approx).
Set up your dial gauge on the rocker end of inlet, cylinder No1.
Turn crank counting from TDC and the first movement of the dial gauge should be at the setting of the cam specific,(ie, 108 degrees).
If out, move the chain around a tooth or 2 until you get the nearest to it.
When you do, reverse the engine rotation and take the average inbetween clockwise and anti-clockwise rotation.

You will then end up with the inlet starting to open at about 108 degrees before TDC.

Job done.

I usually check several times and end up taking half a day, (including tea breaks) smile
Too many vinos?
I have followed 3 or 4 tried and tested methods and the cam is still 4 degrees retarded on 6 degrees advance on the JP.
Need a nights sleep on it.

phazed

21,844 posts

204 months

Sunday 28th June 2015
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Give me a ring tomorrow if it isn't clear...............by then.

DangerousDerek

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8,655 posts

220 months

Sunday 28th June 2015
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Something is not right. The JP only has 6 degrees either way to adjust but one link in the chain moves the cam by 20 degrees.
The point i need is between 2 teeth and therefore i cant get enough adjustment.

phazed

21,844 posts

204 months

Sunday 28th June 2015
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1 tooth on the camshaft sprocket is not 20°.

You should be able to get within a degree give or take.

DangerousDerek

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8,655 posts

220 months

Sunday 28th June 2015
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phazed said:
1 tooth on the camshaft sprocket is not 20°.

You should be able to get within a degree give or take.
1 tooth on the cam sprocket is 10 degrees but this is multiplied by 2 as the crank sprocket is half the size.
The cam turns half as fast as the crank. So 10 degrees on the cam = 20 on the crank and thats where the timing is taken from.

Its not possible to flip the crank sprocket and it makes no difference if you flip the cam sprocket.

spend

12,581 posts

251 months

Sunday 28th June 2015
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Which sprocket are you skipping a tooth on when you slip the chain wink

phazed

21,844 posts

204 months

Sunday 28th June 2015
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Crank pulley has 20 teeth, = 18 degrees per tooth.

Cam has 40 teeth, = 9 degrees per tooth.

Cam turns at half crank speed therefor 1 tooth, = 4.5 degrees

Am I mad?

carsy

3,018 posts

165 months

Sunday 28th June 2015
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Peter, I think you`re still under the influence from last night. hehe

phazed

21,844 posts

204 months

Sunday 28th June 2015
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carsy said:
Peter, I think you`re still under the influence from last night. hehe
Which isn't all bad laugh

phazed

21,844 posts

204 months

Sunday 28th June 2015
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Come on guys, it been about 2-3 years for me and my imagination isn't what it was.

Dave, am I talking bks?