New block worries

New block worries

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ctsdave

872 posts

174 months

Sunday 4th October 2015
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Derek if your wanting helmet and hans many places are doing deals at the moment as they are compulsory for us rrack racers from 2016! I imagine there'll be plenty deals at Autosport show or Race Retro...

Also, where in Teesude does fia spec cages? Closest place we found in bluebook was protection and performance in skipton! Teeside would've been much easier lol...

DangerousDerek

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8,655 posts

220 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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Engine dropped off today. Salford to Wales and back in 1 hour 22.

DangerousDerek

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Thursday 8th October 2015
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I received an initial but rather lengthy inspection report from ACR today on my engine.
Makes for interesting reading particularly regarding the cylinder heads that were very recently refurbished by a highly recommended specialist. 1 head is 16 thou taller than the other and the face runs off datum.
Its a worry that it seems no one can do a job as promised these days and its going to cost me.... again!

The good news is that Roland will sort and rebuild the bottom end free of labour charge.
The pistons are going to get a little more relief at the cutouts to help lower the CR.

The heads require a lot of work to make perfect and the chambers will be CNCd to match and gain volume. The ports require work to make perfect also.
The aim is to get the CR to low 10's.
New valve caps have been recommended along with better pushrods.
The cam will be machined and a retaining plate fitted.
Roland recommends highly expensive lifters that hold better oil pressure but i think that the comp cams ones i have already bedded to the cam should be fine.

Roland also wants to tidy up the porting in my inlet and trumpet base but i need to know how the bill is racking up before i decide.

Edited by DangerousDerek on Thursday 8th October 19:17

ChimpOnGas

9,637 posts

179 months

Thursday 8th October 2015
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Wishing you all the best there Derek thumbup

Sounds like your previous cylinder head machine shop needs word in their ear though shout

DangerousDerek

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220 months

Thursday 8th October 2015
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ChimpOnGas said:
Wishing you all the best there Derek thumbup

Sounds like your previous cylinder head machine shop needs word in their ear though shout
But he's such a nice guy and I hate confrontation

ChimpOnGas

9,637 posts

179 months

Thursday 8th October 2015
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DangerousDerek said:
ChimpOnGas said:
Wishing you all the best there Derek thumbup

Sounds like your previous cylinder head machine shop needs word in their ear though shout
But he's such a nice guy and I hate confrontation


If he's a nice guy talk to him and see what he says, it needn't get mardy.

You might find he wants to see you right and offers a solution, you don't know till you ask mate wink

QBee

20,984 posts

144 months

Thursday 8th October 2015
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"hi mate, I've got a problem and I need your help with it please"

It's all about how YOU handle it. Calm and pleasant. He needs to put it right, you need to give him the chance to do so, so don't back him into a corner.

ClassiChimi

12,424 posts

149 months

Thursday 8th October 2015
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There's some wise old dogs on here,,,, some bloody fast ones too,,, that's some time you set there Derek,, you can't do anything slow can you smile
As the boys of wisdom say, do it nicely and something will come back in your favour,,, sometime.

Boosted LS1

21,187 posts

260 months

Thursday 8th October 2015
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Measurements can be confirmed by somebody else if need be. Tickling out the valve cut outs will make bugger all difference to the compression. Either skim the block (improve squish as well) or ask the head refurbisher if he'll skim the heads. He may not have been asked to do this previously but could do it now. All you need to do is have a chat. Whatever you do, don't start bandying about a rival companies opinions as you'll soon get his back up, lol.

DangerousDerek

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Thursday 8th October 2015
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Boosted LS1 said:
Measurements can be confirmed by somebody else if need be. Tickling out the valve cut outs will make bugger all difference to the compression. Either skim the block (improve squish as well) or ask the head refurbisher if he'll skim the heads. He may not have been asked to do this previously but could do it now. All you need to do is have a chat. Whatever you do, don't start bandying about a rival companies opinions as you'll soon get his back up, lol.
coffee

go away.

Boosted LS1

21,187 posts

260 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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Go have your confrontation then. It'll be better if you keep an open mind and go for a chat though. Will probably get the best results.

DangerousDerek

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220 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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I shouldnt go on here after wine.

Just spoke to the guy that did the heads. A genuine nice guy and was nothing but upset about Rolands findings. He said he has all the respect for Roland and wont question it.
We think the heads had a previous issue that was overlooked and only work as instructed on the refurb was carried out.
He made an offer of help in the future.

Roland will be putting things right now and then i should see the numbers that were obviously lacking on the last 2 build attempts.

QBee

20,984 posts

144 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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The right result. Well done Derek. clap

Boosted LS1

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260 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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DangerousDerek said:
I shouldnt go on here after wine.

Just spoke to the guy that did the heads. A genuine nice guy and was nothing but upset about Rolands findings. He said he has all the respect for Roland and wont question it.
We think the heads had a previous issue that was overlooked and only work as instructed on the refurb was carried out.
He made an offer of help in the future.

Roland will be putting things right now and then i should see the numbers that were obviously lacking on the last 2 build attempts.
Sounds like a good result :-) Not sure what heads you have but I had a set opened up to 39cc iirc whist retaining the quench pad. You could see how that may effect your calcs. I thinks it's an extra 5cc of chamber volume.