B-b-ber BREMBOS!
Discussion
Well done Dave, you’ve got there - and I’m genuinely pleased for you. All the joshing aside, you’ve now got a seriously competent set of brakes and I think we’re all agreed that although the original kit is adequate - up to a point, PW left plenty of scope for improvement - whichever route we choose.
As for your posts - don’t change a thing. They’re intelligent, informative sometimes provocative but above all, they’re always entertaining.
Nothing more boring than coming on here and just finding a string of reactionary and quite often negative, one liners.
Sometimes a short few words is all that’s needed - but full marks to someone who sets out to actually
change preconceptions or look at things from a different angle and then goes to the trouble of sharing it with us in such an engaging way.
Keep it up….
Malcolm
As for your posts - don’t change a thing. They’re intelligent, informative sometimes provocative but above all, they’re always entertaining.
Nothing more boring than coming on here and just finding a string of reactionary and quite often negative, one liners.
Sometimes a short few words is all that’s needed - but full marks to someone who sets out to actually
change preconceptions or look at things from a different angle and then goes to the trouble of sharing it with us in such an engaging way.
Keep it up….
Malcolm
Dave, I love your essays and often take your advice - BPR6EIX comes immediately to mind.
One of the things I like about PH is the way we can exchange different views while accepting that others have a right to their choices and opinions. Carry on the good work.
By the way, I sometimes wonder whether you will one day consider compiling and publishing The Thinking Man's Alternative Chimaera Workshop Manual.....you could do a first draft by cutting and pasting from PH.
One of the things I like about PH is the way we can exchange different views while accepting that others have a right to their choices and opinions. Carry on the good work.
By the way, I sometimes wonder whether you will one day consider compiling and publishing The Thinking Man's Alternative Chimaera Workshop Manual.....you could do a first draft by cutting and pasting from PH.
All I know is the standard brakes work on the road ok, pathetic on track, brembos with decent pads, stop quick, no judder or fuss so on the road there barely even trying.
I can't wait for Daves post that hopefully confirms the Brembos are the business, the fact Dave takes the time to inform us of the costs, part numbers, suppliers etc let alone his brutally honest opinion on these mods and ideas,,
He gets us all thinking and talking, I'm about to sell an organ to keep on track with my err sorry Daves mods on my car
the Brembo idea has been floating about in my head, Daves cemented what I need etc, top job as usual mate 
I can't wait for Daves post that hopefully confirms the Brembos are the business, the fact Dave takes the time to inform us of the costs, part numbers, suppliers etc let alone his brutally honest opinion on these mods and ideas,,
He gets us all thinking and talking, I'm about to sell an organ to keep on track with my err sorry Daves mods on my car
the Brembo idea has been floating about in my head, Daves cemented what I need etc, top job as usual mate ClassiChimi said:
All I know is ...... I'm about to sell an organ to keep on track with my err sorry Daves mods on my car the Brembo idea has been floating about in my head, Daves cemented what I need etc, top job as usual mate
Hammond? Wurlitzer? the Brembo idea has been floating about in my head, Daves cemented what I need etc, top job as usual mate 
Edited by QBee on Sunday 13th March 20:28
Alexdaredevils said:
5 pages for 4 nuts and bolts and 2 brake hoses..................
That's PH for you mate, the Bla Bla is almost more fun than the spannering 
Alexdaredevils said:
stop faffing about and bolt them on ffs
You're right of course.... but where's the fun in that?Saturday the deed will be done... until then I'm still awaiting discs, spacers, Brembos back from Godspeed, the pads did turn up yesterday though
Very interesting thread. I take it this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cosworth-2-Wheel-Drive-B...
is the correct kit and bolts straight on?
Thanks
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cosworth-2-Wheel-Drive-B...
is the correct kit and bolts straight on?
Thanks
Dungman said:
Very interesting thread. I take it this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cosworth-2-Wheel-Drive-B...
is the correct kit and bolts straight on?
Thanks
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cosworth-2-Wheel-Drive-B...
is the correct kit and bolts straight on?
Thanks
Sardonicus said:
I think that kits a bloody bargain and yes I have those brackets from this guy for mine
^^^^This^^^^I would have saved myself about £50 if I'd just bought that complete kit with the calipers included
Part: Cosworth 2 Wheel Drive Brembo 4pot 325mm Brake Caliper & Bracket kit
From: EBay - Caprisport Direct (oldphonebloke)
eBay item number: 221290558563
Cost: £325.00
Part: Genuine Brembo Brake Pads (Brembo part no: P 06 018)
From: http://www.carparts4less.co.uk
Part Number: 10111017A
Cost: £35.31
Part: Genuine Brembo Discs
From: http://www.apd.co.uk/
Part Number: 09.5486.50
Cost: £120.00
Part: Hubcentric 12mm wheel spacers & Studs (Front & Rear)
From: EBay - Mtec Online
Part Number: CRP130A55
Cost: £73.98
Total before fitting: £554.29
I've ended up shelling out £601.53 so wasted £47.24, but only because the EBayer who sold me the calipers advertised them as fully refurbished but when they arrived I found two pistons were damaged.
If the calipers were as described my complete package would have come to £450
, essentially I took a gamble that could have paid off but ended up costing me a bit more, in hindsight what I should have done was just buy the complete Caliper & Bracket kit from Caprisport Direct (oldphonebloke).But as we all know in life...... hindsight is wonderful thing
Saying all that £47.24 is not the worlds biggest loss, and £601.53 is still astonishingly good value for money for what I hope will prove to be an excellent brake upgrade.
Do keep in mind that this upgrade only works with 16" front wheels or larger, so if you need to buy a set of 16" rear wheels to replace your standard 15" fronts just to make these brakes fit it starts getting very pricey indeed.
Fortunately the owner of my car before I bought it had the foresight to add the 16s for me
Dave.
Edited by ChimpOnGas on Thursday 1st August 11:42
Dungman said:
Thanks folks. I agree they are good value.
Anyone got a spare pair of imola 16's?!
I think I paid £100 for mine ... got them refurbed by a couple of guys in the New Forest (can't remember offhand how much it was but they look awesome) ... my existing front tyres were *KNACKERED* for the second time after being poorly tracked up *TWICE* so I just used the opportunity to offset part of cost of what I would be spending on the tyres against what it would cost me for new front wheels and boots. Anyone got a spare pair of imola 16's?!
Phil
Bassfiend229hp said:
I think I paid £100 for mine ... got them refurbed by a couple of guys in the New Forest (can't remember offhand how much it was but they look awesome) ... my existing front tyres were *KNACKERED* for the second time after being poorly tracked up *TWICE* so I just used the opportunity to offset part of cost of what I would be spending on the tyres against what it would cost me for new front wheels and boots.
Phil
That was good deal Phil Phil
Being realistic I'd budget £150 per 16" Imola wheel plus £65 per wheel for a proper refurb, and you need to assume the wheels will need reburbing.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TVR-CHIMAERA-ALLOY-WHEEL...
A little cheaper here....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TVR-Chimaera-16-Imola-Al...
So Dungman should budget spending around the £400 mark to put nice freshly refurbished pair of 16" Imolas on the front of his Chimaera, but could equally get lucky like Phil and do it for a lot less.
Estorils are of course much rarer so will be more pricey still.
Either way you are also in for a pair of 16" front tyres so that's another £180 fitted, so while you might do it cheaper I'd say you could easily spend as much on the wheels and tyres as you have on the full brake upgrade.
Anyone starting out with standard 15" front wheels is potentially looking at £1,000 all in for the complete upgrade including calipers, brackets, spacers, extended wheel studs, pads, discs, 16" wheels and tyres.
That's not to say its still not way better value than any other big brake conversion, because any conversion using a disc size over 300mm will need 16" front wheels.
Your other option is to see if the guy from Caprisport Direct (oldphonebloke) offers a bracket kit that pairs the Brembo calipers with a 300mm disc, which I have a feeling I've seen. That way you can stick with your standard 15" wheels, and assuming your not driving all out on a track I doubt you'll notice much if any loss in braking performance over the big Mk1 Focus RS 324mm dinner plates?
Talking of those genuine Brembo Mk1 Focus RS 324mm discs, I've just found them for sale for £16 less than I paid, why does that always happen
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Brembo-09-5486-50-Front-Br...
ChimpOnGas said:
That was good deal Phil
Being realistic I'd budget £150 per 16" Imola wheel plus £65 per wheel for a proper refurb, and you need to assume the wheels will need reburbing.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TVR-CHIMAERA-ALLOY-WHEEL...
A little cheaper here....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TVR-Chimaera-16-Imola-Al...
So Dungman should budget spending around the £400 mark to put nice freshly refurbished pair of 16" Imolas on the front of his Chimaera, but could equally get lucky like Phil and do it for a lot less.
Estorils are of course much rarer so will be more pricey still.
Either way you are also in for a pair of 16" front tyres so that's another £180 fitted, so while you might do it cheaper I'd say you could easily spend as much on the wheels and tyres as you have on the full brake upgrade.
Anyone starting out with standard 15" front wheels is potentially looking at £1,000 all in for the complete upgrade including calipers, brackets, spacers, extended wheel studs, pads, discs, 16" wheels and tyres.
That's not to say its still not way better value than any other big brake conversion, because any conversion using a disc size over 300mm will need 16" front wheels.
Your other option is to see if the guy from Caprisport Direct (oldphonebloke) offers a bracket kit that pairs the Brembo calipers with a 300mm disc, which I have a feeling I've seen. That way you can stick with your standard 15" wheels, and assuming your not driving all out on a track I doubt you'll notice much if any loss in braking performance over the big Mk1 Focus RS 324mm dinner plates?
Talking of those genuine Brembo Mk1 Focus RS 324mm discs, I've just found them for sale for £16 less than I paid, why does that always happen
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Brembo-09-5486-50-Front-Br...
Calipers £160.00 Being realistic I'd budget £150 per 16" Imola wheel plus £65 per wheel for a proper refurb, and you need to assume the wheels will need reburbing.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TVR-CHIMAERA-ALLOY-WHEEL...
A little cheaper here....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TVR-Chimaera-16-Imola-Al...
So Dungman should budget spending around the £400 mark to put nice freshly refurbished pair of 16" Imolas on the front of his Chimaera, but could equally get lucky like Phil and do it for a lot less.
Estorils are of course much rarer so will be more pricey still.
Either way you are also in for a pair of 16" front tyres so that's another £180 fitted, so while you might do it cheaper I'd say you could easily spend as much on the wheels and tyres as you have on the full brake upgrade.
Anyone starting out with standard 15" front wheels is potentially looking at £1,000 all in for the complete upgrade including calipers, brackets, spacers, extended wheel studs, pads, discs, 16" wheels and tyres.
That's not to say its still not way better value than any other big brake conversion, because any conversion using a disc size over 300mm will need 16" front wheels.
Your other option is to see if the guy from Caprisport Direct (oldphonebloke) offers a bracket kit that pairs the Brembo calipers with a 300mm disc, which I have a feeling I've seen. That way you can stick with your standard 15" wheels, and assuming your not driving all out on a track I doubt you'll notice much if any loss in braking performance over the big Mk1 Focus RS 324mm dinner plates?
Talking of those genuine Brembo Mk1 Focus RS 324mm discs, I've just found them for sale for £16 less than I paid, why does that always happen
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Brembo-09-5486-50-Front-Br...
Carriers £62.24
Discs £52.95
Pads £35.59
Wheels £100.00
Wheel Refurb £130.00
Tyres £167.00
Spacers £45.02
Wheel Centres £10.98
Pad Spreader £7.99
Pad Pin Kit £12.95
So £784.72 all in...
sheel said:
I have fitted the WMS setup within my upgrades, not driven her much yet but the pedal feel is much more progressive feels softer but works very nicely
Rich
Progression is everything in braking terms IMO I would rather chirp the tyres to a standstill than lock em up to reach the same, too smaller brakes for the job at hand and competition pads are by far the scariest/unnerving set-up Rich
I have no doubt the Brembo's will work for me in saying that the Cossy 283mm and Granny front set-up is a bloody good compromise for the road I have had mine fitted for around 8 years Edited by Sardonicus on Thursday 17th March 09:08
Hi Bremboids
Had a closer look at the bracket & bolt kit from Caprisport Direct (oldphonebloke) today and.... hmmmmm that looks odd.... the M12 bolts appear have different thread pitches?
The four alen cap head bolts that come with the kit looked like a regular M12 pitch to me but the four hex heads confused me as the thread is clearly finer?
A thread gauge confirmed my suspicions, the alen cap heads are the common M12 x 1.75 and the` hex headed bolts are a rather oddball M12 x 1.5.
Panic set it as I tried to think where I might find a super rare M12 x 1.5 tap before I leave the house for Phased Towers at 7.30am tomorrow?
Fortunately logic stepped in to discipline me as I realised the Italian brake monkeys at Brembo may have been the ones who chose this strange thread, a quick check confirms oldphonebloke knows his stuff as the "Whop Stoppers" have a M12 x 1.5 thread chased into their mounting holes.
So a typically long ChimpOnGas post just to tell you all a Brembo caliper has two mounting holes with the rather unusual M12 x 1.5 and to warn anyone stupid enough to wind the supplied M12 x 1.75 alen head bolts into their Brembos will likely destroy their lovely new calipers.
Therefore....this thread.. is just a thread.. to highlight thread differences
See what I mean...Init
Had a closer look at the bracket & bolt kit from Caprisport Direct (oldphonebloke) today and.... hmmmmm that looks odd.... the M12 bolts appear have different thread pitches?
The four alen cap head bolts that come with the kit looked like a regular M12 pitch to me but the four hex heads confused me as the thread is clearly finer?
A thread gauge confirmed my suspicions, the alen cap heads are the common M12 x 1.75 and the` hex headed bolts are a rather oddball M12 x 1.5.
Panic set it as I tried to think where I might find a super rare M12 x 1.5 tap before I leave the house for Phased Towers at 7.30am tomorrow?
Fortunately logic stepped in to discipline me as I realised the Italian brake monkeys at Brembo may have been the ones who chose this strange thread, a quick check confirms oldphonebloke knows his stuff as the "Whop Stoppers" have a M12 x 1.5 thread chased into their mounting holes.
So a typically long ChimpOnGas post just to tell you all a Brembo caliper has two mounting holes with the rather unusual M12 x 1.5 and to warn anyone stupid enough to wind the supplied M12 x 1.75 alen head bolts into their Brembos will likely destroy their lovely new calipers.
Therefore....this thread.. is just a thread.. to highlight thread differences
See what I mean...Init
ChimpOnGas said:
Hi Bremboids
Had a closer look at the bracket & bolt kit from Caprisport Direct (oldphonebloke) today and.... hmmmmm that looks odd.... the M12 bolts appear have different thread pitches?
The four alen cap head bolts that come with the kit looked like a regular M12 pitch to me but the four hex heads confused me as the thread is clearly finer?
A thread gauge confirmed my suspicions, the alen cap heads are the common M12 x 1.75 and the` hex headed bolts are a rather oddball M12 x 1.5.
Panic set it as I tried to think where I might find a super rare M12 x 1.5 tap before I leave the house for Phased Towers at 7.30am tomorrow?
Fortunately logic stepped in to discipline me as I realised the Italian brake monkeys at Brembo may have been the ones who chose this strange thread, a quick check confirms oldphonebloke knows his stuff as the "Whop Stoppers" have a M12 x 1.5 thread chased into their mounting holes.
So a typically long ChimpOnGas post just to tell you all a Brembo caliper has two mounting holes with the rather unusual M12 x 1.5 and to warn anyone stupid enough to wind the supplied M12 x 1.75 alen head bolts into their Brembos will likely destroy their lovely new calipers.
Therefore....this thread.. is just a thread.. to highlight thread differences
See what I mean...Init
Yep should have mentioned this earlier too thats an odd thread even in M12 terms, I found out while making up my kit and then talking to Alex he piped up a couple of days later stating the same gotcha to which I replied "I know I found out" I forgot to mention purely because I have had mine about 12 months and still not on the car ..... yet Had a closer look at the bracket & bolt kit from Caprisport Direct (oldphonebloke) today and.... hmmmmm that looks odd.... the M12 bolts appear have different thread pitches?
The four alen cap head bolts that come with the kit looked like a regular M12 pitch to me but the four hex heads confused me as the thread is clearly finer?
A thread gauge confirmed my suspicions, the alen cap heads are the common M12 x 1.75 and the` hex headed bolts are a rather oddball M12 x 1.5.
Panic set it as I tried to think where I might find a super rare M12 x 1.5 tap before I leave the house for Phased Towers at 7.30am tomorrow?
Fortunately logic stepped in to discipline me as I realised the Italian brake monkeys at Brembo may have been the ones who chose this strange thread, a quick check confirms oldphonebloke knows his stuff as the "Whop Stoppers" have a M12 x 1.5 thread chased into their mounting holes.
So a typically long ChimpOnGas post just to tell you all a Brembo caliper has two mounting holes with the rather unusual M12 x 1.5 and to warn anyone stupid enough to wind the supplied M12 x 1.75 alen head bolts into their Brembos will likely destroy their lovely new calipers.
Therefore....this thread.. is just a thread.. to highlight thread differences
See what I mean...Init
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