New Technology Fire Extingisher - Perfect For Your TVR

New Technology Fire Extingisher - Perfect For Your TVR

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ChimpOnGas

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9,637 posts

178 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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Is this the perfect compact fire extinguisher to carry in your TVR?



I really think it could be; the new nano technology JE50 recently won the Which "Best Extinguisher" award and similar accolades from the Caravan industry.

The JE50 is extremely compact yet is as powerful and effective as an extinguisher five times its size, the kind of bulky extinguisher that would be impractical to carry in your TVR.

The compact JE50 deals with all fire types including flammable liquids and electrical related fires alike, and best of all it leaves no residue whatsoever. If you've ever had the misfortune to use a powder fire extinguisher you will know what an horrific mess they make of your engine bay or interior, you could literally be faced with days of cleaning up mad

I've just purchased a few JE50's from Classic Oils and distributed among my mates, on my Chimaera I found the JE50's diminutive size allows it to slip perfectly between the drivers seat squab and the carpeted inner sill area, it sits really snug there with no risk of rolling into the footwell but also means it's perfectly placed grab quickly in the event of a fire.

Lets hope none of us ever need to use a fire extinguisher in our TVRs, but if the worse does happen at least with a JE50 you'll have the right equipment save your car without making a dreadful mess.

Take a look at these videos to see the JE50 in action, even excluding the obvious size advantage for TVR owners you'll immediately see the benefits over traditional type Co2 or powder extinguishers....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TXgKt7X-z4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eesePltgpCU

Finally the JE50 is maintenance free for 5 Years so you can be confident it'll work when/if you ever need it, read more about the revolutionary new technology JE50 here...

http://www.firetool.co.uk/index.html

I have no connection with either Fire Tool who distribute the JE50 or Classic Oils where I bought mine, I just think it's a great product so thought all my TVR mates should know about it.

Hope it helps?

Dave.

Pupp

12,205 posts

271 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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Looks a good shout, as does the next up in the range (JE100), although that might need some thought to stow safely - been looking for an effective but compact FE for a while and been unimpressed with the conventional choice at sensible money so thanks for the heads-up thumbup

RichB

51,429 posts

283 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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Looks interesting, I may get a couple of these. Is the assumption that the 50 is OK most car fires? Or is it simply that it's compact and hence ideal for TVRs/sports cars?

ChimpOnGas

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9,637 posts

178 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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Pupp said:
Looks a good shout, as does the next up in the range (JE100), although that might need some thought to stow safely - been looking for an effective but compact FE for a while and been unimpressed with the conventional choice at sensible money so thanks for the heads-up thumbup
As I buy all my oil from Classic Oils they gave me a discount on the four JE50's I bought yesterday (one for me and one each for three good mates).

The JE50 normally retails for £45 but they let me have them for £40 each, ask for the owner Guy or John on the till, and say Dave with the LPG TVR recommended you call, I'm sure they'll give you the fiver off too.

Every little helps thumbup


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Errrr, even though they were marked up at £45 on the shelf in the shop yesterday I've just seen they are £40 on their website, perhaps they dont love me as much as I thought they did laugh

http://www.classic-oils.net/Portable-Fire-Extingui...

Anyway, at £40 the JE50 looks like excellent value, its as effective as a big boy 12kg powder extinguisher that normally sells for around £60 and will make a dreadful mess.

Smaller, better, cheaper... what's not to like?








QBee

20,903 posts

143 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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Good call, Dave. I will get one.

I presently have a standard extinguisher attached to the rear bulkhead, between my rear speakers, but can see that your solution would be easier to use, and a darn sight more compact than the Belgian alternative:


Matthew Poxon

5,329 posts

172 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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Good shout Dave, I keep meaning to get a Fire Extinguisher for mine and this looks ideal

plfrench

2,296 posts

267 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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Looks great, thanks for flagging these up.

m4tti

5,426 posts

154 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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Are there any performance comparisons to halon. Do you know what the nano particle foam consists of?

Pupp

12,205 posts

271 months

Friday 22nd July 2016
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I sort of get where you're coming from with this, but isn't the reality for most of us that we're not actually carrying anything when, arguably, it should be compulsory... in that context (if correct) it's a no brainer. JE100 ordered and will post up how I accommodate it

GadgeS3C

4,516 posts

163 months

Saturday 23rd July 2016
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Not wishing to urinate on anyone's fire but I've just seen this and was intrigued. Reading the info from FirePal made me rather nervous as it reads so much like copy for other miracle products that made big claims but don't work. There seems to be a lot of inconsistency in what is being claimed.

So I did a bit of googling for reviews etc. there doesn't seem to be very much of any independent reviews by anyone I'd trust. The FirePal doesn't seem to meet the British Standard for example.

I'm not an expert on extinguishers but I have spent a lot of time developing new products, ensuring they do what we said they'd do and getting them approved. This one has a hint of snake oil about it for me.

I hope the claims are true because this would be a fantastic extinguisher for our cars but if I bought one I'd still be carrying a dry powder extinguisher as well, just in case.

Be careful out there folks and sorry to be sceptical.




plfrench

2,296 posts

267 months

Saturday 23rd July 2016
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Interesting, I've emailed the NCC as they seem to have quite a rigorous approval process but the Firetool products are not shown on their 'verified product' list despite the UK distributor's for Firetool displaying the NCC verified product logo on their website.


ChimpOnGas

Original Poster:

9,637 posts

178 months

Saturday 23rd July 2016
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Pupp said:
I sort of get where you're coming from with this, but isn't the reality for most of us that we're not actually carrying anything when, arguably, it should be compulsory... in that context (if correct) it's a no brainer. JE100 ordered and will post up how I accommodate it
Nice one, looking forward to seeing how you mount the slightly larger JE100 Gary thumbup

I'm also very sure Which wouldn't have given it their award if it wasn't a good product, and for me the videos of this new technology extinguisher in action speak for themselves.

I've come to expect the negative comments from the doubting Thomas' on this forum, some people just can't resist the opportunity to discredit a well meaning contributor who's only objective is to present something that might help his fellow TVR enthusiasts.

To me their negativity says more about their attitude to life and others than specifically what they believe they're commenting on. Its also worth noting these same individuals typically only pop up when they have something negative to say, they're seldom the ones to present anything new or of interest themselves.

GadgeS3C

4,516 posts

163 months

Saturday 23rd July 2016
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Well thanks for playing the man not the ball rolleyes

As I said, I hope it works but I'm not convinced by the evidence provided. I'm just providing some balance as I'd hate to hear of someone failing to fight a minor fire through having something unproven.

I think this could be a good technology for an under bonnet fire where it could fill the space to kill the fire. That's where these types of suppression systems work well.

Not so convinced by the videos on the site as I wouldn't be getting that close to the fires to spray down into them.

I spent an hour this morning doing some research around this because I'd love to have something like this in my cars. But it didn't convince me.

I already have a decent sized powder extinguisher in each car as this is something I take seriously.







Edited by GadgeS3C on Saturday 23 July 10:45

AceOfHearts

5,818 posts

190 months

Saturday 23rd July 2016
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ChimpOnGas said:
Nice one, looking forward to seeing how you mount the slightly larger JE100 Gary thumbup

I'm also very sure Which wouldn't have given it their award if it wasn't a good product, and for me the videos of this new technology extinguisher in action speak for themselves.

I've come to expect the negative comments from the doubting Thomas' on this forum, some people just can't resist the opportunity to discredit a well meaning contributor who's only objective is to present something that might help his fellow TVR enthusiasts.

To me their negativity says more about their attitude to life and others than specifically what they believe they're commenting on. Its also worth noting these same individuals typically only pop up when they have something negative to say, they're seldom the ones to present anything new or of interest themselves.
No harm is had from having a balanced conversation and the points that GadgeS3c has made were put across well and I don't think he is just trying to put you down.

Obviously you are chuffed with your new purchase but there is no need to get defensive biggrin



Number 7

4,101 posts

261 months

Saturday 23rd July 2016
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ChimpOnGas said:
I'm also very sure Which wouldn't have given it their award if it wasn't a good product,.
At the risk of being branded negative, can you point me in the direction of the Which review please? I'm a member, and have searched their website to no avail.

Number 7

4,101 posts

261 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Any luck with the Which review?

Pupp

12,205 posts

271 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Not seen anything that claims it was reviewed; the claims seem to be of an 'award', which seems(again) to a 'highly commended' in the (apparently) new 'accessory' category decided by Which Motorhome magazine... not sure if any of that helps but that's what I turned up over a coffee.

Anyhoo, my JE100 has turned up today. If it is snake oil, then it's heavy and quite nicely made snake oil is my immediate conclusion. Has more of an air of quality about the thing than I was half fearing/expecting and does bear the CE mark and various other silk screened markings (will have a better gander with a magnifying glass later and see if any of them bear Google scrutiny) - it also came with a small 'certificate of qualification', which looked rather like a fortune cookie slip both in style and script, which was rather less reassuring. I will find a home for it in the car (it's certainly not too bulky for that) and hope it might work better than what is presently there in the event I need an FE


ChimpOnGas

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9,637 posts

178 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Number 7 said:
Any luck with the Which review?
You need to search for the 2016 National Motorhome Awards in association with "Which Motorhome", more specifically look at the "Highly Commended" award in the new "Accessory" category.

https://www.outandaboutlive.co.uk/motorhomes/infor...

They say....

"The Firetool JE range is extremely effective, tests on Class B fires have shown it to be 5x more effective than halon and 10x more effective that other currently available halon alternatives"



It goes without saying a fire extinguisher is something you need to have total confidence in, so if you're unsure in any way or don't trust the JE50 for whatever reason I recommend you don't buy it.

I'm not selling this product and as such do not seek to promote or defend it, it's just it looked promising technology when I studied the facts and reviewed the videos.

Which is why I thought it might be of interest to my TVR Friends?

But I can't stress enough... "No Likey, no trusty, no buyeee"... simple really wink

Pupp

12,205 posts

271 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Mine displays the CE logo underpinned by the number 1521 - this seems to correlate to a testing house in Oxfordshire specialising in Chinese imported goods involving pressure vessels etc. Have emailed them to see if they will confirm (or not) the bona fides.

The unit also has a logo for 'Rina 1861' displayed on it - that also appears to be a testing and certification service, this time Italian

The unit has a serial number and batch/expiry data separately printed on it, with the legend 'GBR only'

Spidey senses not tingling just yet even if the Engrish leaves a bit to be desired smile

ChimpOnGas

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9,637 posts

178 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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Well I can tell you these extinguishers are definitely of Chinese origin, a quick search on YouTube makes that very clear. Saying that if all things Chinese are to be dismissed as untrustworthy we need to throw away 90% of everything that fills our lives.

More specifically these extinguishers are made by a company called Westpeace in Gaoxin District, Shaanxi, China. Here's the manufacturer's website where you can download PDF specification sheets for each model they offer:

http://www.westpeace.com/

The sole UK importer is "Fire Tool" who have negotiated UK exclusivity with the Chinese manufacturer Westpeace, here's the Fire Tool website:

http://www.firetool.co.uk/index.html

Here's the JE100 Pup has gone for in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWUR_Z-pRl4

The £60 JE-100 has a bit more capacity than my current JE-50 but looks like it'll still sit neatly between the the drivers seat squab & inner sill. Perhaps I'll put the JE-50 where my tiny traditional (and barely adequate) powder extinguisher currently sits on the passenger side.

The bigger 100 can then go on the drives side ready for the time I genuinely hope never comes, personally I like the fact this new technology extinguisher works on electrical, flammable liquid and especially flammable gas fires and has an excellent shelf life.

And if you believe the advertising it's versatile, compact and makes no mess.... of course if its all complete BS the importer Fire Tool needs to prepare themselves for some horrific UK litigation cases yikes

That's pretty much all I can tell you about these extinguishers and I hope it helps, but I can't stress strongly enough...

"If you don't trust it, don't buy it"