New Technology Fire Extingisher - Perfect For Your TVR

New Technology Fire Extingisher - Perfect For Your TVR

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Sardonicus

18,928 posts

220 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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Good spot Dave wink must admit I have had this behind the passenger seat for the last 10 years not sure how effective it would be if push came to shove however (I do periodically check the gauge reading)

QBee

20,906 posts

143 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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They must have put nearly a second's thought into choosing that company name..... hehe

Sardonicus

18,928 posts

220 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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QBee said:
They must have put nearly a second's thought into choosing that company name..... hehe
laugh
Could of been worse they may have called themselves ..... ISNAF

fatboychim

976 posts

250 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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I have no idea on price but has anyone considered stowing one of these near your vital parts....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wEY1yiDIk8s

Pupp

12,206 posts

271 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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Much as I hate to disappoint the naysayers, my enquiry of the Oxfordshire test house has elicited a pretty positive response that, whilst not confirming the ultimate application effectiveness of the product, does at least confirm the thing was submitted for and attained this certification:

HPi Verification Services Limited said:
I can confirm that we were involved with the certification of this product and have issued a Type Examination Certificate that conforms to the Pressure Equipment Directive 97/23/EC Annex III Module B, numbered P1002-112-I-01, you can view confirmation on our website by using the following link and search facility:

http://www.eucertification.com/ce-certification-2/...

If you enter P1002-112 in the certificate number search box, you will see it listed.
To my mind, this demonstrates the item is most likely a credible product - I can also confirm the JE-100 does indeed fit very snugly in the gap between the seat squab and the inner sill of the Chim (at least) perhaps needing only a band or very light cable tie to restrain it from sliding forward (located between the FE handle and the lower seat belt bracket); it would not, of course, ever be a problem on the passenger side (where mine is presently) but should certainly be restrained on the driver's side to ensure it cannot get under any pedals.

RichB

51,435 posts

283 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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Pupp said:
... perhaps needing only a band or very light cable tie to restrain it from sliding forward (located between the FE handle and the lower seat belt bracket)...
Can you post a picture because to my way of thinking if you zip tie it to the seat how will you get it out in an emergency?

Pupp

12,206 posts

271 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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RichB said:
Can you post a picture because to my way of thinking if you zip tie it to the seat how will you get it out in an emergency?
The clue is in 'very light...'

m4tti

5,426 posts

154 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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Ideally you need to be able to mount extinguishers in the engine compartment. You're likely to have a fire which will be driven by gasoline and potentially by a form of plastic. It'll be extremely hot, the likelihood of you being able to get near to lift the bonnet at any time apart from the very earliest moments of ignition is slim. Seem to remember a thread where a griffith had an under bonnet fire and people couldn't get near it.

If these can in some way be remote activated as per the old style halon appliances then they'll be potentially useful.

ClassiChimi

12,424 posts

148 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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a fully plumbed in system as used in racing is the only real way to have a chance with fire, I have an extinguisher mounted in my cab,, more to save me for a few seconds than anything else!
Are the race set ups illegal on the road?

hidetheelephants

23,780 posts

192 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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That standard is for pressure vessels and has no impact on whether the thing can put out fires to a reasonable standard. The relevant UK/EU standards would be;

British Standards said:
Portable Fire Extinguishers

BS EN 3-10:2009; Provisions for the attestation of conformity of portable fire extinguishers in accordance with EN 3 Part 1 to Part 5. Amendment 1

BS EN 3-7 2004 + A1: 2007; Characteristics, performance requirements and test methods

BS EN 3-8:2006; Additional requirements to EN 3-7 for the construction, resistance to pressure and mechanical tests for extinguishers with a maximum allowable pressure equal to or lower than 30 bar

BS 7863:2009; Recommendations for colour coding to indicate the extinguishing media contained in portable fire extinguishers

Pupp

12,206 posts

271 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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hidetheelephants said:
That standard is for pressure vessels and has no impact on whether the thing can put out fires to a reasonable standard.
Which is why I expressly qualified my comment about it; the point I was trying to make was that seems like an unlikely cost for a non-reputable producer to incur - perhaps it has not been submitted for the 'usual' FE accreditations too due to the novel tech apparently used; maybe there are no BS/EU standards that are directly relevant (in the same way LED emitters do not meet the standards expected of incandescent bulbs)? Just surmising

hidetheelephants

23,780 posts

192 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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You may have a point, but it seems doubtful given BS EN 3-7 judges against the ability to put out fire, not on the means by which this is achieved.

ChimpOnGas

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9,637 posts

178 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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I'm so happy I started all this rolleyes

jesfirth

1,743 posts

241 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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ClassiChimi said:
a fully plumbed in system as used in racing is the only real way to have a chance with fire, I have an extinguisher mounted in my cab,, more to save me for a few seconds than anything else!
Are the race set ups illegal on the road?
Race set ups are legal on the road - there is no legislation on them that I am aware of. I have just fitted this in my griff. Its not expensive £140 - took me about 3 hours to install - fabricating the bracket to mount the extinguisher took the most time. The race set ups typically come with 2 wire pull handles to activate the extinguisher - one for use by the driver and one for use by a marshall externally which does mean a hole in the bodywork though. Mine is piped with really easy platic coated flexi metal tubes and push fit joints. It has 2 nozzles - one pointing at my feet and the second in the engine bay pointing at the rear of the engine where the fuel lines could split. I hope it would either put out a small fire or give the extra seconds needed to get out.

m4tti

5,426 posts

154 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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What type of extinguisher is that?

chevy55

8,248 posts

235 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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m4tti said:
What type of extinguisher is that?
It's called Zero2000 and it's an aqueous foam type extinguisher (AFFF). From what I've seen they only buy you a bit of time to get out of a burning vehicle and I wouldn't trust one of that size to put a petrol fire out, been racing 15 years and seen a few race car fires.

Pupp

12,206 posts

271 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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hidetheelephants said:
You may have a point, but it seems doubtful given BS EN 3-7 judges against the ability to put out fire, not on the means by which this is achieved.
http://www.defender.com.tr/dosyalar/EN_3-7-2004+A1...

That is the text of the standard and it seems very specific to me as to the means... I have no idea whether the puppy we are discussing is within scope or not however

m4tti

5,426 posts

154 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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chevy55 said:
It's called Zero2000 and it's an aqueous foam type extinguisher (AFFF). From what I've seen they only buy you a bit of time to get out of a burning vehicle and I wouldn't trust one of that size to put a petrol fire out, been racing 15 years and seen a few race car fires.
Were the halon units of a similar size capable of extinguishing fires outright.

chevy55

8,248 posts

235 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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m4tti said:
chevy55 said:
It's called Zero2000 and it's an aqueous foam type extinguisher (AFFF). From what I've seen they only buy you a bit of time to get out of a burning vehicle and I wouldn't trust one of that size to put a petrol fire out, been racing 15 years and seen a few race car fires.
Were the halon units of a similar size capable of extinguishing fires outright.
I've never seen a halon extinguisher used but word from all the people who had them and had used them was that they were the only thing capable of easily knocking a fire out. I think they still carry them in airliners and are available for certain uses where modern extinguishants wouldn't be good enough or cause severe damage.
I once discharged my large affff race extinguisher when it had to go back for refilling and it was pretty uninspiring to watch

m4tti

5,426 posts

154 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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chevy55 said:
I've never seen a halon extinguisher used but word from all the people who had them and had used them was that they were the only thing capable of easily knocking a fire out. I think they still carry them in airliners and are available for certain uses where modern extinguishants wouldn't be good enough or cause severe damage.
I once discharged my large affff race extinguisher when it had to go back for refilling and it was pretty uninspiring to watch
This is why I'm mildly suspicious of any of these new extinguishing mediums coming through, as when an a halon equivalent that is environmentally friendly arrives there will be a massive fanfare.