Another option instead of the carbon plenums + div ECUs

Another option instead of the carbon plenums + div ECUs

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Geoff38

789 posts

246 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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The fitech site has technical info describing using the different intake manifolds. Dual plane for lower power more lazy driving and single plane for more revy high power applications. ( in basic terms ) I have a dual plane edelbrooke manifold to test with so will be buying one of the lower end fitech kits to try on either my 4.0 chim or a 3.5 to go in a wedge project.

caduceus

6,071 posts

266 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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Interesting thread this. Will be watching with interest scratchchin

QBee

20,948 posts

144 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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I will be watching it too with interest, but will reserve any comment until the building and bragging ends, and the cars are seen together on a track day.
We need somewhere with some decent straights (?Donington, Snetterton, Castle Combe, Silverstone?) in order to test straight line acceleration and top speed, but some decent corners to test handling, torque and skill. Ideally more than one track day, to make Ole's trip over worth his while.

I would love it if we can all get together some time this summer, including Ole - we will all be honoured to have you as a house guest, Ole, you just need to choose between square rooms and round rooms. I would have suggested the beginning of April, so that Ole can also come to the big TVRCC show at Burghley, but will everyone be ready by then? Burghley is only 35 miles from mine, and over 600 TVRs of all kinds and ages have attended in recent years, including some very special cars. Peter could even get his Vixen out (and bring her in his 1970 turquoise car). getmecoat

Sounds like an interesting challenge and a lot of fun. I can probably rustle up some spare track tyres on 4 stud wheels for anyone who needs a set.

Peter's Chimaera has massive torque, and whilst bhp gets you top speed on an endless runway, torque is what gets you out of the corners faster (or into the barriers/gravel traps backwards faster, but let's not go there).




OleVix

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1,438 posts

148 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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Hehe thanks Anthony! I don't think the car will be ready until mid April though... Would love to come over some time this year if time allows it!

SILICONEKID345HP

14,997 posts

231 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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How good is the ECU and its spec ? would vibration and heat be a problem .

Most ECU`s are self learning but only up to a certain point ,who will be able to map it ?

Has anyone in the UK fitted this to a performance RV8 with good results ?

Geoff38

789 posts

246 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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Pressed the buy button , so mine is on it's way from summit racing ( I hope ) also brought the fuel command centre . Air filter to find now.

OleVix

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1,438 posts

148 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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Geoff38 said:
Pressed the buy button , so mine is on it's way from summit racing ( I hope ) also brought the fuel command centre . Air filter to find now.
The 400 HP one?

Geoff38

789 posts

246 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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OleVix said:
The 400 HP one?
Yes , going on a standard 400 chim or might try it on 4.6 V8D (280 ish bhp ) in my wedge to replace the horrible old flapper afm etc .

jojackson4

3,026 posts

137 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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SILICONEKID345HP said:
How good is the ECU and its spec ? would vibration and heat be a problem .

Most ECU`s are self learning but only up to a certain point ,who will be able to map it ?

Has anyone in the UK fitted this to a performance RV8 with good results ?
Why map it
You tell the thing what it's sat on and it dose the rest for you
Bye bye RR and the maper

SILICONEKID345HP

14,997 posts

231 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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I dont understand

ClassicChimaera

12,424 posts

149 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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Look at Ole first post. There's a Clicky to FiTech site.

Am I seeing things the 400 one,,, the complete kit incl wide band Lambda Ecu and hand held controller.

$795.00.


jojackson4

3,026 posts

137 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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ClassicChimaera said:
Look at Ole first post. There's a Clicky to FiTech site.

Am I seeing things the 400 one,,, the complete kit incl wide band Lambda Ecu and hand held controller.

$795.00.
+ manifold

jojackson4

3,026 posts

137 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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SILICONEKID345HP said:
I dont understand
U tell it what cam -what cc and drive it
It does the rest it's self

ClassicChimaera

12,424 posts

149 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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As the blurb says, for those old 60's yank tanks running old carbs, modern fuelling and some spark control.
The Ecu is mounted on the throttle body,, clever if it doesn't suffer from heat.
These American boys know a bit about V8's,,,,

ChimpOnGas

9,637 posts

179 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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This is throttle body injection, certainly better than a carb... but hardly proper multi point port injection where an injector per cylinder is placed just ahead of the inlet valve.

You typically found throttle body injection (otherwise known as single point injection) on low priced shopping cars (think K-Series engined Metros ect) in the early nineties because it was a cheap way to implement injection and meet ever stricter emissions standards. When compared with multi point injection, single point injection is very poor at cylinder to cylinder fuel distribution and offers even worse fuel atomisation, this results in worse fuel economy and ultimately less power

Even during the 80's & 90's if you bought any kind of serious car you always got proper multi point port injection, single point really was a cost saving stop gap between a carb & injection, by the late nineties as the cost of injectors came down even basic cars moved to having an injector per cylinder and for very good reason.

I really don't see this as an upgrade to the 8 injector 14CUX multi point port injection system, quite the opposite in fact. If you did want to move away from the 14CUX fueling system at least keep the 8 injectors and the port injection inlet manifold. Put the money you've saved by retaining your existing and superior inlet manifold towards an ECU that allows easier fuel mapping and offers proper 3D mappable ignition.

These plug & play bolt on American single point throttle body injection units are designed for carb manifolds making them ideal for muscle cars burdened with a carb, as such they are a desirable and easy to fit upgrade to a carb. But as an alternative to multipoint injection (even 14CUX controlled multi point injection)... I don't think so nono


Geoff38

789 posts

246 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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ClassicChimaera said:
Look at Ole first post. There's a Clicky to FiTech site.

Am I seeing things the 400 one,,, the complete kit incl wide band Lambda Ecu and hand held controller.

$795.00.
Plus about $230 shipping and import duty

Geoff38

789 posts

246 months

Wednesday 8th February 2017
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Major parts arrived today , just got to clean up the inlet manifold and get a few minor bits .

SILICONEKID345HP

14,997 posts

231 months

Wednesday 8th February 2017
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Whats the other thing for ?

Geoff38

789 posts

246 months

Wednesday 8th February 2017
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Hi , it is called the "fuel command centre" smile
Basically it is a swirl pot with built in high pressure pump to feed the efi unit. Not strictly required but thought I'd have it to save trying to sort out another method of getting correct pressure feed. It still uses low pressure pump at tank end to fill this tank.

Engineer1949

1,423 posts

144 months

Thursday 9th February 2017
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the comment on multi injectors being a better way to meter the fuel is on more modern engines valid but as the 14cux only does bank firing not sequential it is negated i feel the four barrel system may well be an improvement time will tell.


john