Advice on fitting JE Alternator bracket please?

Advice on fitting JE Alternator bracket please?

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Pupp

12,206 posts

271 months

Sunday 26th March 2017
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phazed said:
All very true.

For me, it was getting rid of the huge self adjusting gubbins..
It's also very much neatened up the front of the engine.
Once the new system is adjusted I have never yet had to re-adjust it so it is a win-win situation for me.



Hate to tell you this Pete, but your water pump is running backwards with that belt routing...

Discopotatoes

4,101 posts

220 months

Sunday 26th March 2017
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I was just going to say the same thing, I'm using a pk7 1035 belt running it under the water pump pully

Discopotatoes

4,101 posts

220 months

Sunday 26th March 2017
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sparkythecat said:
Please would someone explain what problem this mod is designed to overcome ?
I thought that the belt tensioner took up any slack in the belt negating the need to adjust the alternator position and also enabled the belt to be changed without any spannering.

confused
Something like this? wink


Tyre Tread

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10,525 posts

215 months

Sunday 26th March 2017
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Pupp said:
Tyre Tread said:
Thanks Gary, I think we both know I'm not a stranger to spanners but surely one might reasonably expect the necessary short bolts to be provided?

As for multiple applications, where does it say that?

Until I moved house I had shed loads of bolts (3/8" rather than 3/16" as I said earlier).

As for weight saving I don't think a kilo or so is going to make much difference. My reason for changing to the JE bracket was to simplify the system so reduce failure points.

TBH I wish I hadn't bothered its a complete pain in the arse! Should have stuck with the original and changed the bearing.

Now have to trawl various places for suitable bolts and a new belt of the right size.
Oh FFS, it's your car you are modifying for whatever reason; take ownership of what you are doing. It's not advertised as a TVR specific item as far as I have ever seen, but something that can fit Rover V8s (and does). Bolts and belts are hardly difficult to come by - the former for literally pennies plus the price of a stamp off Ebay; as for the necessity for the latter, what did you think would happen as a result of losing the tensioner pulley - did you expect the alternator to be sitting proud above the bonnet to take up the slack that obviously results?

Sorry Alan; I don't want to appear confrontational but your criticism is well off beam on this; it's not a bolt-on like a Leven stalk nor intended or marketed as such any more than a ported cylinder head or significantly different cam grind - all need some foresight, planning, and set-up to get the best from.

7PK1580 belt should drop right on and is a common part from factors

Supportive as always -Cheers Gary rolleyes

You are being confrontational and condescending. No need frankly.

Had I been able to discuss the fitting with someone it night not have been so bad but my interaction was with a woman who first time told me to ring back next week and second time was barely civil and treated me like an inconvenience.

To then find that parts that cost "a few pennies" are not included having spent ninety quid including postage is piss poor service to my mind.

Its just bad service and means a job that could be done in one day can't be, as you end up discovering you need things you don't have to hand. It could at least mention somewhere that different bolts would be required and list the likely sizes. After all they fit one engine type with the same size thread bolts in all.

Hopefully this thread will make others aware that not all parts required are supplied.

Pupp

12,206 posts

271 months

Sunday 26th March 2017
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Parts? You're bleating about common fasteners, so no biggie to measure and procure what's needed if you don't have to hand? If you've not grasped that is an occasional inconvenience after more than a few years of ownership, you've learned little about what you own.

I can't comment about how you wound up whoever answered the phone as I wasn't privy to the conversation, but do recall an innate talent for alienating those in earshot...

phazed

21,844 posts

203 months

Sunday 26th March 2017
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Pupp said:
Hate to tell you this Pete, but your water pump is running backwards with that belt routing...
What a plum, I should've known better, even told others the same!

Here s a photograph of the engine last year when it was correctly fitted.



Just as well that I haven't used the car hardly at all since that was fitted for one reason or another.

Pupp

12,206 posts

271 months

Sunday 26th March 2017
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phazed said:
What a plum, I should've known better, even told others the same!

Here s a photograph of the engine last year when it was correctly fitted.

Just as well that I haven't used the car hardly at all since that was fitted for one reason or another.
Prolly makes naff all difference anyway smile

ClassicChimaera

12,424 posts

148 months

Sunday 26th March 2017
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I can understand the O/P's point.
Why not provide the correct parts to complete the install or at least offer it. More money in the bank surely.
Not everyone is a time served mechanic and the correct advice when ordering parts is vital.

I read about this before so have some idea it won't be a plug and play item but as the RV8 doesn't change very much you would think you could just order the parts in one sitting smile

Hi Al, chin up, it'll be good when it's working smile

Eta
Fashion. Trends, interesting things, often set by someone doing something and others following, the more that follow the more the rest feel the need to also.
Ok the Tvr market might be small but offering a complete kit for our cars would increase sales dramatically , 50 sales more a year must be worth it to a small company.
When someone comes on social media raving about something that comes together easily and is a good useful mod, lessor mechanical types feel it's a job they can take on,,,,, and there's thousands of those out there.

I've been watching Guy Martin sand racing on the beach today so I couldn't care less, there's more important things to worry about biggrin

Edited by ClassicChimaera on Sunday 26th March 22:57

Tyre Tread

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10,525 posts

215 months

Sunday 26th March 2017
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Pupp said:
Parts? You're bleating about common fasteners, so no biggie to measure and procure what's needed if you don't have to hand? If you've not grasped that is an occasional inconvenience after more than a few years of ownership, you've learned little about what you own.

I can't comment about how you wound up whoever answered the phone as I wasn't privy to the conversation, but do recall an innate talent for alienating those in earshot...
I'm not bleating. I'm commenting. "No biggie" but a pain in the arse. Eleven years of ownership have taught me much. ss has 18 years of ownership of a similarly engined much older car.

I'm well aware that nothing is guaranteed to be straightforward on a TVR but you're deliberately missing the point. Basic information is missing. Basic parts costing in your own words"a few pennies" aren't supplied or even advised that they are required but not supplied which unnecessarily complicates the fitting of something that could be much more straightforward.

You're making assumptions about a conversation you have no knowledge of and making unnecessary personal remarks.

Good job you're not argumentative isn't it. I don't know why you're trying to make this personal Gary.

sparkythecat

7,898 posts

254 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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Discopotatoes said:
sparkythecat said:
Please would someone explain what problem this mod is designed to overcome ?
I thought that the belt tensioner took up any slack in the belt negating the need to adjust the alternator position and also enabled the belt to be changed without any spannering.

confused
Something like this? wink

Fair enough. thumbup

Sardonicus

18,928 posts

220 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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Tyre Tread said:
Pupp said:
Parts? You're bleating about common fasteners, so no biggie to measure and procure what's needed if you don't have to hand? If you've not grasped that is an occasional inconvenience after more than a few years of ownership, you've learned little about what you own.

I can't comment about how you wound up whoever answered the phone as I wasn't privy to the conversation, but do recall an innate talent for alienating those in earshot...
I'm not bleating. I'm commenting. "No biggie" but a pain in the arse. Eleven years of ownership have taught me much. ss has 18 years of ownership of a similarly engined much older car.

I'm well aware that nothing is guaranteed to be straightforward on a TVR but you're deliberately missing the point. Basic information is missing. Basic parts costing in your own words"a few pennies" aren't supplied or even advised that they are required but not supplied which unnecessarily complicates the fitting of something that could be much more straightforward.

You're making assumptions about a conversation you have no knowledge of and making unnecessary personal remarks.

Good job you're not argumentative isn't it. I don't know why you're trying to make this personal Gary.
In all fairness I have had three of these all for different jobs and all have come with the 2 countersunk 3/8 unc screws/bolts but missing just one regular bolt ... (3 x fasteners total needed) scratchchin so possibly your kit package as missed this detail

Tyre Tread

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10,525 posts

215 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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Sardonicus said:
n all fairness I have had three of these all for different jobs and all have come with the 2 countersunk 3/8 unc screws/bolts but missing just one regular bolt ... (3 x fasteners total needed) scratchchin so possibly your kit package as missed this detail
Mine came only with one countersunk allen head bolt and the other two bolt holes aren't countersunk.

Sardonicus

18,928 posts

220 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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Tyre Tread said:
Sardonicus said:
n all fairness I have had three of these all for different jobs and all have come with the 2 countersunk 3/8 unc screws/bolts but missing just one regular bolt ... (3 x fasteners total needed) scratchchin so possibly your kit package as missed this detail
Mine came only with one countersunk allen head bolt and the other two bolt holes aren't countersunk.
My mistake that is correct wink not fitted on for a while, but I could appreciate if that 1 countersunk screw was missing that would be annoying why the other 2 are not with I don't know confused


Edited by Sardonicus on Monday 27th March 09:31

ChimpOnGas

9,637 posts

178 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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From memory my JE alternator bracket came with one or more of the fasteners missing.

While this was frustrating it wasn't exactly beyond the Whit of man to resolve, I also to had to source a belt that fitted my power steering equipped Chimaera but to be honest this was no more complicated than a trip to my local auto factors where I tried a selection of belt lengths until the perfect fit was found.

Fitting the adjuster bracket is the source of much debate, suffice to say it will fit (and work) installed a number of different ways. Simon's choice looks upside down but in practice is probable the best way to fit it, saying that an adjustable rose jointed turnbuckle would be better still.

Overall I expected better from JE, but at the end of the day all of three challenges were so minor and easy to solve as to be considered complete insignificant.

Personally I like the bracket, it eliminates the cheap sprung idler with its failure prone bearing, it creates a tidier looking engine bay and after a number of years using this system I have had no belt slip, squeal or issues associated with additional load on the alternator or water pump bearings.

Overall it's not a perfect out of the box fit, but I wouldn't let that put anyone off fitting one.

Tyre Tread

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10,525 posts

215 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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Just spent half an hour rummaging through my box of various Rover bits but it looks like I chucked all of my spare nuts and bolts when I moved 2 years ago.

If I was in the old place I could nip round the corner to the local old fashioned hardware shop that supplied all the local farmers where you could buy a single washer if needed (not that I ever did) or have them make up hydraulic hoses. He even matched the power steering hydraulic fittings for my old Rover P5B. I miss that shop frown


N7GTX

7,823 posts

142 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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Chuffmeister describes the sequence of events here: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

This one seems to fit without any problems at all and its massive weight doesn't appear to have slowed me down rolleyes

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And readily available here for £43.68 (vat inc)

http://tvr-parts.com/tvr-parts/part-details/tvr-e2...