Jump start

Jump start

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Nessy

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26 posts

270 months

Saturday 8th November 2003
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I have a sick battery (only 2 yrs old and kept on mains conditioner) I will have to jump start to go to David Batty, I was looking at a battery start device at Argos for £46. Does anyone know whether these machines are big enough to fire up a 4.0 Chim? (Just seems easier than pushing it!)

simpo two

85,495 posts

266 months

Saturday 8th November 2003
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Nessy said:
I have a sick battery (only 2 yrs old and kept on mains conditioner) I will have to jump start to go to David Batty, I was looking at a battery start device at Argos for £46. Does anyone know whether these machines are big enough to fire up a 4.0 Chim? (Just seems easier than pushing it!)


First, check your receipt - you may have a 3 year warranty. As for starting, the thing is cranking amps: I think 500-600 are required. But - if it starts your engine, you will then be b*uggered the first time you stop...

jigs

1,840 posts

251 months

Saturday 8th November 2003
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Why does it remotely dial up the local Gay Society?

the dodger

2,375 posts

264 months

Wednesday 12th November 2003
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I bought one of those "Quick-Start" battery packs in the polyprop cover with handle and a built in light etc. It's made specifically for jumpstarting batteries and designed to sit on top of the battery (short leads). I balanced mine precariously on the r.h. rocker cover/inner wing and attached the *ve to the alternator "batt" and -ve to engine earth. With a stone-dead battery it cranked it over fine! I was very surprised - it cost me £30 from a Ford dealer.

T88CAN

3,474 posts

258 months

Wednesday 12th November 2003
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the dodger said:
I bought one of those "Quick-Start" battery packs in the polyprop cover with handle and a built in light etc. It's made specifically for jumpstarting batteries and designed to sit on top of the battery (short leads). I balanced mine precariously on the r.h. rocker cover/inner wing and attached the *ve to the alternator "batt" and -ve to engine earth. With a stone-dead battery it cranked it over fine! I was very surprised - it cost me £30 from a Ford dealer.



Agreed used on my Chim last year a few times got mine from MACRO bargain at £14.99 plus the vodka and tonic

philip_cooke

5,182 posts

282 months

Thursday 13th November 2003
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You need to be very careful when 'jump starting' flat batteries as an AA man (a very nice man as I seem to recollect) once told me. It's all to do with the ECU. When the good battery is attached to the bad battery and the car has been started, allow at least 10 minutes with both batteries connected before you remove the good one. If you don't, the alternator will 'see' (once the good battery has been disconnected) a very flat battery and will immediately ramp up the charging amps which has been known to blow ECUs. If you allow the 10 mins or so, it gives the flat battery chance to get some charge.

Having said all of that, you cannot charge a flat battery with an alternator, only with a dynamo. If your battery is flat, you'll need to get it on a proper charger and not just drive around the country side for an hour (though you could anyway as its FUN FUN FUN!!) Tech reason (oh wait - here come other opinions) being that the alternator senses voltage, dynamos sense current. A flat battery will be seen as a low voltage, alternator will increase the charging amps cos it can push lots in. The internal resistance of the battery times charging current (ohms law) gives a high terminal voltage. Alternator senses high voltage and reduced charging amps. Ah but!! you might say, doesn't it reach a happy medium and keep charging but at a slow rate? - apparantly not!! Best thing - as it's getting very close to winter - is change the battery. If you are in the AA, call them out as their batteries are cheaper than Halfwits and they come with a 5 year (YES 5 YEAR) garuntee, and they'll fit it for free (we they did mine!!)
Hope this helps.

simpo two

85,495 posts

266 months

Thursday 13th November 2003
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philip_cooke said:
If you are in the AA, call them out as their batteries are cheaper than Halfwits and they come with a 5 year (YES 5 YEAR) garuntee, and they'll fit it for free (we they did mine!!)
Hope this helps.


I was, and I did - except the chap didn't have the right size in his van and it was a Sunday so the place they use (Partco?) was shut. So after he'd jump started the car (Griff)I asked him if he'd mind awfully following me to Halfords so I could get a new one and could he change it over in the carpark...? He did, and it was well worth the £10 beer money.

philip_cooke

5,182 posts

282 months

Thursday 13th November 2003
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Thats strange, cos when he came to fit mine, he didn't have the correct size either so he lent me one to get me home, then reappeared the next day with the correct battery and fitted it. The chap wouldn't even accept a cup of tea!! Can you believe it!! Hurrah to the AA!!

simpo two

85,495 posts

266 months

Thursday 13th November 2003
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philip_cooke said:
The chap wouldn't even accept a cup of tea!! Can you believe it!! Hurrah to the AA!!


A*rse, wasted a tenner. Hope your bloke cut the grass and did the washing up too?

simpo two

85,495 posts

266 months

Friday 14th November 2003
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Swapped e-mails with a friend of mine who's an electronics wizz. He said:

'...the job of the battery is to act as a store of enough energy to start the car. Once the engine is running, the Alternator/Generator provides the electrical power for the car systems. When the engine is running it just sits back and gets charged up again. That's what car batteries like best, deep discharge, followed by lots of charging. Alternators are more efficient than the older generators, able to provide a high output at low rpm, hence their use in modern cars. Any car battery will charge if energy is passing through it, whether it is coming from an alternator or generator. Given time the alternator will charge up the battery. I have done this. The interior light was left on in the Fiesta overnight and completely flattened the battery. One quick jump start and a few miles later, one charged battery.The other important job the battery does is to act as a very large capacitor, the effect is to regulate the alternator's output, ie smooth out voltage fluctuations. OK about the AA offering a 5yr guarantee, but are they twice the price? Even AA men must be on 'OTE' these days.

Nessy

Original Poster:

26 posts

270 months

Saturday 15th November 2003
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jigs said:
Why does it remotely dial up the local Gay Society?


Give us a kiss and I'll tell ya !!

gemini

11,352 posts

265 months

Saturday 15th November 2003
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Jigs has a gay fantasy today then
See Flasher thread!

Go on Jigs
Just come out!

gemini

11,352 posts

265 months

Saturday 15th November 2003
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Burriana500 - ring any bells?

bsdnazz

762 posts

254 months

Monday 17th November 2003
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It's worth checking the battery posts and clamps. I did that at the weekend and they needed a good clean up. 10mins with a bit of sand paper - most of the time spend wriggling in the foot well not sanding - and it was as if I had a new battery!