What should it beat?
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Some on then chaps, who's going to put their money where their mouth is........
www.donington.co.uk/trakzone/
£79.50 for a full day at Donington
Sunday 7th, the 14th or the 28th
You could even have a steady night in Nottingham the night before
>> Edited by raceboy on Wednesday 3rd December 15:22
www.donington.co.uk/trakzone/
£79.50 for a full day at Donington
Sunday 7th, the 14th or the 28th
You could even have a steady night in Nottingham the night before
>> Edited by raceboy on Wednesday 3rd December 15:22
mungo said:
The cornering limits are just far higher than those on a Griff / Chim! The car is better balanced by far!
It would take a foolish (or highly skilled) man to drive it to it's cornering limits on the ROAD though
thats why i said track.
anyways, what happened to....
mungo said:
I think you shouldn't worry what you can and cannot beat and simply enjoy your sportscar for what it is
M@H said:
"All vehicles have to comply with 98dba drive by noise standard."
Thats most of the TVRs scrd then....
I don't think they're to strict about the noise levels as long as your not taking the pisch
The last time I was there a Chimaera was going round and it was a lot quiter than some of the other stuff on track, and last weekend a T350C didn't have any problems, along with a 355 Challenge racer
The only thing I've ever seen pulled off track for noise level abuse was a twin bike engined Tiger, but that was VERY loud
Car limits and driver limits are very different things though.
I've driven the Saxo to its limits on a track (and ploughed the infield
), and I've driven the Chimaera to <i> my limits </i>on a track too (and kept it on the blackstuff 
)
Doing this I doubtless get the Saxo and the Chimaera around a small sprint track at much the same speed overall, basically as I can throw the Saxo into a corner knowing what happens when I exceed the cars handling limits, and what to do in that respect, however I can't throw the TVR in at its handling limits because the repercussions of getting it wrong due to the increased speed etc play on my mind and senses, hence the "driver limits".
For me to get the Chimaera safely on its limits, I would need some SERIOUS driver training or a LOT of track experience.. You cant even get close to the "limits" of a TVR in the dry in a Sane manner on the Highway, however you can get closer with a small Hot Hatch.
Cheers
Matt
>> Edited by M@H on Wednesday 3rd December 15:42
>> Edited by M@H on Wednesday 3rd December 16:40
I've driven the Saxo to its limits on a track (and ploughed the infield
), and I've driven the Chimaera to <i> my limits </i>on a track too (and kept it on the blackstuff ) Doing this I doubtless get the Saxo and the Chimaera around a small sprint track at much the same speed overall, basically as I can throw the Saxo into a corner knowing what happens when I exceed the cars handling limits, and what to do in that respect, however I can't throw the TVR in at its handling limits because the repercussions of getting it wrong due to the increased speed etc play on my mind and senses, hence the "driver limits".
For me to get the Chimaera safely on its limits, I would need some SERIOUS driver training or a LOT of track experience.. You cant even get close to the "limits" of a TVR in the dry in a Sane manner on the Highway, however you can get closer with a small Hot Hatch.
Cheers
Matt
>> Edited by M@H on Wednesday 3rd December 15:42
>> Edited by M@H on Wednesday 3rd December 16:40
No just agreeing as it concours with my own experienceM@H said:
For me to get the Chimaera safely on its limits, I would need some SERIOUS driver training or a LOT of track experience.. You cant even get close to the "limits" of a TVR in the dry in a Sane manner on the Highway, however you can get closer with a small Hot Hatch.
On that basis you consider the limits of the chimaera to be higher than those of the Saxo?
I agree its easier to find the limits of a shopping car. My VTR was a scream as you could chuck it into a corner at any speed and it was more predictable than Mungo's midnight stories.
If you can find the limits in a TVR (and a track is the only place this is likely/safe to happen) then its like for like - both cars on their limits. This being the case, I believe the Tiv would be quicker.
In any event, I go home and people turn to look at my car.
shnozz said:Matt has come out on track with me, I hope he's not using that as a basis for his conclusions as all I was trying to do were lairy slides on all corners and could easily have got MUCH faster times
which appears to be none whatsoever.
Something very satisfying about drifting a double apex though
mungo said:
No sorry mate thats bollocks and you know it - Driven plenty of TVR's fast and plenty of other much faster cars too - Chims / Griffs, although lovely sounding cars with plenty of straight line grunt, they are incredibly old fashioned from a handling perspective and next to any new hot hatch will have their work cut out round the corners!
Bear in mind that as well as being FWD and having a very well engineered chassis and suspension system designed specifically for fast cornering, the modern hot hatch has ESP, stability control, etc etc etc...
On top of this, they ain't far off on straight line speed too - In fact, I am willing to lay money on the fact a standard 4.0 Chim won't pull away from a Leon Cupra R in a straight line - Before you quote stats - We all know TVR give their best examples of a model for road test and sometimes even "played with" examples.
The 4.0 Chim isn't that fast these days.
>> Edited by mungo on Wednesday 3rd December 15:57
where the f have you driven chims and griffs fast?? have you been lent cars by fellow PHers to flog around a track?????? if so, whose cars have you driven?
mungo said:
You wouldn't know them all Phil - Yeah those are the quoted times of a 4.0 Chim but I've never had one pull away from me in the LCR! The LCR does 150 too - In fact I've seen 155 on the clock...
Lets stop with these insults shall we? Pretty childish. The whole argument was brought about by you in the first place.
thats a surprise that you cant tell me whose TVR's you have driven. Not.
Didnt spot an insult from me at any point. If you take offence to someone offering an alternative opinion thats something you will have to overcome when you join the force.
I bid you good day.
shnozz said:
For me to get the Chimaera safely on its limits, I would need some SERIOUS driver training or a LOT of track experience.. You cant even get close to the "limits" of a TVR in the dry in a Sane manner on the Highway, however you can get closer with a small Hot Hatch.
On that basis you consider the limits of the chimaera to be higher than those of the Saxo?
Of course...
shnozz said:
I agree its easier to find the limits of a shopping car. My VTR was a scream as you could chuck it into a corner at any speed and it was more predictable than Mungo's midnight stories.
If you can find the limits in a TVR (and a track is the only place this is likely/safe to happen) then its like for like - both cars on their limits. This being the case, I believe the Tiv would be quicker.
Agreed
shnozz said:
In any event, I go home and people turn to look at my car.
Yep, thats why I have one too.. I wasn't arguing with either of you, just adding to the thread.
Cheers
Matt
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