Options for Front Door Speaker?

[gf15]

Searched the threads and Infinity 652i’s seem to be favourite. Ordered a pair on the web, only to find that they are no longer available. Dealer sent cheaper inferior nasties .

Any suggestions on alternatives would be appreciated.

[longjon]

Nooooo, I had decided on some 652's aswell. I spoke to a couple of suppliers and both said they were on order...

Would be interested to hear alternative suggestions too..

Also, are you considering upgrading your head unit - any ideas? I think the standard head unit output is 40W but the Infinity's require 70W (and the guy said they're reasonably average at 40W). I was tentatively looking at a 60W Alpine unit.

Cheers
Jon

[longjon]

Have just been recommended Phoenix Gold double element speakers. Apparently they are roughly the same depth as the Infinity's and are pretty good but I have never heard of them before...anyone?

[longjon]

Okay, have now taken over this thread....

I have just managed to order some 652's from Car Electronics Ltd, their number is 0116 244 9844 (Leicester office). But they also have other offices, see website...

www.carelectronicsltd.co.uk/

They were £99 n/incl P&P...

Jon

[Steve_T]

Whoever you spoke to is talking B/S, you need speakers that can handle the same or more power than your amp can produce. You can get away with running a powerful amp against speakers with a lower power rating, provided you don't overload them. The advantage of the powerful amp is that it will not be clipping the signal when cranked up to the speakers max rating, hence it's less likely to fry them. However how can you tell when you're operating at the speakers max power level? Ideally you want a matched system where you don't have to crank the volume way up to get the sound level up to what you want.

Steve.

Edited to say: That wasn't meant to sound patronising, so sorry if it did. I just get f'd off with salesmen telling porkies to flog you something you don't need. I have Infinity 652i's in the front. They're a bit of a sod to fit, because the magnet is large and the surround needs to be squeezed into the gap for the speakers. However, they sound pretty good to my ears and given the general level of vibration in a Tiv I don't think it's worth spending a fortune on audio.

>> Edited by Steve_T on Friday 27th February 21:48

[Big Al.]

Steve_T said:

Whoever you spoke to is talking B/S, you need speakers that can handle the same or more power than your amp can produce. You can get away with running a powerful amp against speakers with a lower power rating, provided you don't overload them. The advantage of the powerful amp is that it will not be clipping the signal when cranked up to the speakers max rating, hence it's less likely to fry them. However how can you tell when you're operating at the speakers max power level? Ideally you want a matched system where you don't have to crank the volume way up to get the sound level up to what you want. Steve.

This man appears to know what he's talking about, listen and learn.

[DennisTheMenace]

Alpine do some Good 2 way door speakers . try www.letsbuycaraudio.com

[chimjim]

i have fitted some infinity 605cs two way component speakers. dogs danglies. fitted tweeters on door just on inside of glass. you need all the help you can get in chims, they are a bit loud at speed!!!
only downer is the speaker cover wont fit in the gap but not a major problem as speakers have white cones and look spot on!! sweet.

[Corin Denton]

Big Al. said:

Steve_T said: Whoever you spoke to is talking B/S, you need speakers that can handle the same or more power than your amp can produce. You can get away with running a powerful amp against speakers with a lower power rating, provided you don't overload them. The advantage of the powerful amp is that it will not be clipping the signal when cranked up to the speakers max rating, hence it's less likely to fry them. However how can you tell when you're operating at the speakers max power level? Ideally you want a matched system where you don't have to crank the volume way up to get the sound level up to what you want. Steve. This man appears to know what he's talking about, listen and learn.

The ideal equation for mtching speakers for car audio is double the power output from the source to get your speaker rating output.

IE CD/amp = 50 watts, ideal speaker 100w.

[gf15]

Thanks for the responses to date, very informative + useful.

For clarity, there are two types of infinity speakers with different power and size specs

Reference 652i: Depth: 53mm, Cut out diameter: 127, Size 6.5 inch, Cost circa £75

Kappa 652.5i: Depth: 62mm, Cut out diameter: 140, Size 6.5 inch Cost circa £100

All references seem to be for 652i’s. Has anyone managed to fit in a pair of the Kappa 652.5i’s? These are still available, unlike the 652i's!
I know there is not much in it but it will not take much to interfere with the window motor.
Garret

[Steve_T]

From what I remember, it was the overall diameter of the plastic rim that accepts the speaker and grill that was the worst part of fitting the 652i. If the Kappa is any bigger, I think you'd struggle. I also remember that there was very little clearance of the 652i's magnet through the existing speaker hole, so going out to 140mm inner diameter may be another stumbling block. I think you need to find a friendly car audio place where you can try things out to fit before you buy. Also, I'll go back to by previous comment, you may fit great kit to a TVR, but the flex in the doors and general level of vibration in the car may go some way to negate this.

Good luck,

Steve.

Edited to say: the window motor is rear of the speaker, so I don't think this would be a problem for you.

>> Edited by Steve_T on Monday 1st March 22:36